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on this episode of skeptic Oh Alex talks

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with noted Australian UFO researcher

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Mary rod well because we're still in a

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paradigm that is so limited in terms of

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how we accept extraordinary human

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experience and this is the dilemma

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because in psychology psychiatry

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everything is seen as some kind of

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dysfunction primarily you know as soon

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as you experience non-ordinary states of

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any kind the traditional conventional

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way of looking at that as something that

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says this is an aberration rather than

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saying hold on a minute here we've got

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people from all belief systems all

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professions or ages commenting on these

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experiences can we not start to look at

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this scientifically now with an open

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mind so we can at least look at the

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pattern think if we don't understand yet

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how our science can quantify it why

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can't we find a way of at least looking

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at the patterns of this so that we can

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get some sense of what this is saying to

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us about reality itself and

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consciousness stay with us for skeptic

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welcome to skeptic oh where we explore

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controversial science with leading

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researchers thinkers and their critics

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i'm your host Alex Karras and on this

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episode of skeptic oh I kind of put a

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capstone on this series of interviews

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I've been doing on alien encounters and

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how that relates to extended human

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consciousness if you will now since this

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is the third in a series of interviews

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I've done between between researcher

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Mary Rodwell and dr. david jacobs you

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might want to go back and listen to

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those other two interviews before you

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listen to this one but if you're one of

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those people that don't mind jumping

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right into the middle of a conversation

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you can start right here as well and i

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actually think you'll probably catch on

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pretty good what we're talking about now

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this interview breaks from the usual

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format i follow it's more of a

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conversation i even left in some of the

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beginning talk that i usually edit out

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but since we just did kind of roll into

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this conversation I really didn't know

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when to begin and I felt like there was

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some good stuff at the beginning so I

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left that in as well as I think you can

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tell from this interview I have a lot of

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respect and admiration for Mary Rodwell

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I think she's one of the clearest most

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articulate voices in this field I think

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she has so much to say not just about

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encounters with aliens as strange as

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that sounds but I think she brings into

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focus so many of these questions we've

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been having about extended human

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consciousness near-death experience

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experiences and how those all might

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relate to better understanding who we

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are what this consciousness thing is all

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about it does strike me as a little bit

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funny that I talked to so many highly

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credentialed highly respected academics

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in neuroscience and neuropsychology and

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so few of them stack up anywhere close

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to being as articulate well versed and

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have such a broad understanding of these

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larger questions as

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our guests mirror hribal so with that

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let's get right to the conversation

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how's everything with you I guess you've

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had guests and stuff yes family and it

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was lovely I'm catching up with all of

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them and whatever and you're sort of

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always I don't know if you feel the same

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but I feel whenever I get tied up with

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family things all I'm thinking about on

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the other hand is I haven't answered the

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30 emails I've got today tomorrow I'll

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have 60 and he knows that in the back of

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your mind is how long is it going to

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take you to get through you know from

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the time that unless you're on it every

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day you know how it builds up its just

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like that's always in the background so

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um yeah so it's all good I imagined be

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even harder for you because connection

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that you form with people is in a lot of

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ways deeper you know I mean there's

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there's people out there that are

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obviously and a lot of need and a lot of

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pain and are looking for you I mean

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that's I guess with your nursing

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background you can kind of be more used

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to that I think that'd be hard for me

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too when the emails are piling up

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knowing that there's people that are

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really you know so dependent on you

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doesn't that ever kind of work on you a

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little bit it does when I'm away

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primarily because I can't always kicked

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my emails as quickly and people are so

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grateful that you've even bothered to

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answer their email a lot of the time

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because they say look we weave you know

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we've tried to talk to other other

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researchers and often they don't even

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answer our emails so they feel very

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abandoned so I'm sort of very aware that

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it matters that I don't leave it too

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long you know that I answer people

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because of that you know this may be the

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first time they've ever had a response

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and that's very very important

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acknowledgement that look you know

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there's something going on and yes I

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understand you know and how can I help

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and whatever a lot of the work in recent

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times alex is about connecting people to

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each other or to resources elsewhere and

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I'm you know continually looking for

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good resources in each country I get so

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from the US you would not more than i

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get from australia now believe you're

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not which is to me quite incredible

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given there's so much more in terms of

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resources in the u.s. that why are they

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you know in touch with me in Australia

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when really this I don't know why that

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is and I'm not sure whether it's because

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my material for some people resonates

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more and they they feel that that is

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where they need to go rather and I think

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perhaps it's that that's the only

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difference i can see because there are

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lots of resources in the US now isn't

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there in terms of all of this well you

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know that there are on one hand and on

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the other hand it's um it's it's a

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confusing kind of landscape to traverse

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and i think that that you come through

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with a very a very clear message and i

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think you have a lot of credibility just

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I think your presence you know it really

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is we can talk these whoo-whoo terms but

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you have a certain presence um that is

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very comforting but you also have a

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clarity like you know not like

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overconfident clarity but just like hey

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you know this is the way that it is that

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people in this field when they speak

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you're kind of going now where is that

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really coming from you know and what's

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kind of next you know what card are they

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playing from what camp are they in kind

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of thing and I think that what we're

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talking about it relates to the david

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jacobs thing because i think the shadow

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of david jacobs budd hopkins still looms

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and it probably looms larger in the

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united states then and then it does in

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other parts of the world and one of the

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things i was hoping that we could come

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out of this with is if there's any ways

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that you think this thing is going that

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ah that if i can help in any way I mean

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with these interviews I want to get

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those out there but also I almost feel

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like if there's a way that we can move

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this thing in a direction and if i can

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help in that in any way and i don't know

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what that means at this point but I I'd

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like to do that because I see this as an

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not only ties in to my interests in

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terms of you know near-death experience

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and spiritually transformative

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experiences because you see the same

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thing there right people less so with

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near-death experience but with these

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spiritually transformative experiences

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people are looking for help and they're

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looking for answers and you're a people

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helper more of an information conduit

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kind of thing but there's a lot of work

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find something I I think that you hit

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the nail on the head something I didn't

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ever expect Alex in terms of my work was

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how much of I would have to do in in the

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public forum might you know primarily

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I'm a therapist you know I'm a counselor

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etc etc I help people deal with various

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issues to get new perspectives for their

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own healing and integration etc I never

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realized that information the dearth of

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information in terms of extraordinary

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human experience is the problem because

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we're still in a paradigm that is so

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limited in terms of how we accept

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extraordinary human experience and this

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is the dilemma because in psychology

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kind of dysfunction primarily you know

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states of any kind then you've got still

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the traditional conventional way of

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looking at that as something that says

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this is an aberration rather than saying

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hold on a minute here we've got people

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from all belief systems all professions

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or ages commenting on these these

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experiences can we not start to look at

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this you know scientifically now with an

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open mind so we can at least look at the

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patterns even if we don't understand yet

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how quantum how our science can quantify

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it why can't we find a way of at least

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looking at the patterns of this so that

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saying to us about reality itself and

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consciousness I mean that's such a

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common sense approach and but again I

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mean I that to me is like the clarity

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that you bring I mean that's very common

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sense it's very straightforward and it

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makes perfect sense and I think that we

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need more and more people who just kind

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of lay that out in that way I do have to

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tell you you know I just published last

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week on skeptic oh I published an

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interview that I did with montreal-based

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hypnotherapist that does up between life

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and past life regressions and it's very

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controversial area obviously but the guy

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is extremely well-qualified not at all

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whoo whoo he's hooked up with University

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of Montreal do you know Mario Beauregard

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dr. Mario Beauregard have you ever heard

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of him it rings a bell actually he wrote

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a book called the spiritual brain he's a

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highly respected psychologists

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neuropsychologist but he's at the

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University of Montreal what I was really

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going to say is in my interview with a

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jean charles schwab oh who is the

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between life guide I said look you know

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let's let's forget about the between

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life and the past life regression let's

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just look at hypnosis and you have to

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understand that mainstream science

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rejects that whole idea of hypnosis they

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reject it because they reject the idea

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that there is such a thing as

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consciousness that is other than the

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brain and since hypnosis suggests when

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there's you can go to Google Scholar and

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on people who are in hypnosis and are

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bones grow you know these are people

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with broken bones and they do it which

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completely contradicts this model that

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we have of this strict mind equals brain

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I always feel the need to bring people

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back and say hey you know it's not just

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the skeptics forget about the skeptics

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it's science science doesn't accept this

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so we can get people like you're a sign

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with the analytics we can get these

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people together

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would say okay look but the guy grew the

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bone in his arm so he clearly was an

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altered state of consciousness and you

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don't accept consciousness you don't

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accept that consciousness can do

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anything can we at least move past that

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and there's a real resistance to it

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because they see the slippery slope and

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they see you coming and right now they

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can kind of push Mary and that crowd off

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and say oh don't even listen to that but

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as soon as that door opens a little bit

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and they say wait a minute there is a

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consciousness now we have to start

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taking seriously altered consciousness

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now we have to start taking in seriously

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extraordinary alternative you know now

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it's like oh crap you know we really

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have to deal with that so let me tell

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you a little bit because you're so

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generous with your time here you don't

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need to hear me rattle on here's where I

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came down with Jacobs had a long

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conversation with Jacobs in some ways

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not a lot you know surprising but I

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talked directly about you and I told him

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that I interviewed you I kind of broke

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it down like the John Mack camp and the

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budd hopkins david jacobs camp and he

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just held to the line you know as a

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matter of fact he was even more strident

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than i've heard him before you know when

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he said all that john mack stuff all

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that spiritual stuff it just none of it

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works none of it stands up to scrutiny

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none of it stands up to careful analysis

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and then where I really pushed him it's

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something that you and I touchdown and

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it really tickled me to kind of push him

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on this because I said you know dr.

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Jacobs do you think there's any do you

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think there's such a thing as a genuine

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spiritual experience is there such a

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thing I said because it seems to me that

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you guys are humanists you know that but

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Hopkins was humanists and you kind of

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come from the humanist side of things in

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your work as a historian it's a code

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word for atheism you know and it's just

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saying hey there's no the again it comes

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back to what we're talking about in this

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mainstream science there there is no

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such thing as consciousness there's

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really no such thing as really any kind

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of real experience per se it's all just

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kind of this random stuff is there a

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spiritual experience and he danced

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around danced around but he basically

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said no I don't believe there's such a

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thing as a genuine spiritual experience

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I think in a way it kind of been

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all falls from there I mean it's exactly

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what you and I suspected if you reject

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that people even have spiritual

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experiences that that's a lens that then

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does it here's what I did get out of it

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that I that I wanted to bounce off of

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you and I actually have an interview

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scheduled with someone forensic hypnosis

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thing is he said hey look the

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methodology has to be different and the

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methodology has to be along the lines of

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forensic hypnosis and there's actually

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quite a bit of research I'm sure you're

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much more well-versed in it than I am on

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forensic hypnosis I've hooked up with

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someone at University of Liverpool where

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they've done some really fantastic

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research for getting into the court

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system and you know how to how to really

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use witnesses who are highly suggestible

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versus not and all this and the best

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procedures and stuff like that the

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problem with all that as I see it though

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is if we try and pack things into on one

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hand the forensic of the forensic

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approach is great because it says okay

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what really happened but as you and I

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know from a spiritual experience kind of

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thing that doesn't exactly fit if you

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take near-death experience okay that's

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how I break down near death experience

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you know you go talk to the doctors and

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they go okay clearly we have all these

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people that didn't have a brain you know

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as cardiac arrest more than 15 seconds

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serves that there's no brain but now we

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have all these allegorical metaphorical

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you know contradictory the language of

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that other realm isn't forensic detail

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yet I think that there's a certain

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reality to we have to kind of try and

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sift through it in that way so that's

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what's really the crux of I want it I

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want to talk to you about and see what

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your thoughts are of you know you can

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see the appeal for the forensic let's do

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it in a very you know systematic way to

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make sure that we don't introduce this

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and that because there's a reality to

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that that we have to acknowledge that

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we can really kind of confuse the whole

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thing by suggestive things even when

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we're not trying to or letting the other

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person on their own go and make stuff up

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even if the therapist isn't doing it so

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we have that side and on the other side

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we have the nature of this information

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might not lend itself to that kind of

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rigor there I'm going to shut up I

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understand why it's appealing to those

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that want to have a structure and a

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baseline to understanding hypnosis and

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experience the problem with that is

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because they're not taking in

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consciousness itself and the fact that

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we have the ability to travel out of

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body and have experiences alone I mean

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we talk about astral travelling alone

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and experiences of those because they're

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not allowing for that they're never

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going to get any further than where that

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road that they're treading in other

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words if you use hip forensic hypnosis

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for something like taking somebody back

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to an experience where they go up on the

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craft what they will experience is

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purely what they're seeing you know oh

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yes I'm seeing three beings I'm seeing

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there's a light there and I'm not seeing

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any corners and whatever but if that

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person wants to get an understanding of

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that experience they won't get it from

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that visual picture that they've got

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they've got to tap into another part of

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them to get the greater understanding

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now fascinating for me is when I say to

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people when I take you into hypnosis I

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need you to honor the very first things

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that you see an experience I don't want

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you thinking about them because as soon

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as you think about them you edit you

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edit what's acceptable and not

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acceptable so I need you to be pure in

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in terms of your focus so that when you

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see yourself what exactly as you're

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seeing it even if the being looks

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strange weird and wonderful and you

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really don't like what you're seeing and

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you'd like to change that I said that is

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where we have to stop it so the whole

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idea is that we're looking for purity of

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subconscious information and what is

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hilarious is often what they expect and

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what they get are two different things

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if they consciously wanted to have a

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picture of something it will be quite

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different to what their subconscious

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officer man often challenges them in

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ways they never thought and I say to

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them you know if this was a fantasy or

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an imagination you wouldn't be picking

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that because it's so different to

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anything you could possibly imagine that

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in itself gives it credibility because

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it's not what they would imagine it's

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not what they would fantasize in fact

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it's often the last thing that they

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would want to fantasize or imagine that

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gives it credibility and this is my

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point is that as long as they stick true

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to the first things that come in which

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is uncluttered by their conscious mind

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it's allowing a purity of the experience

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however bizarre weird and wonderful if

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you can honor that afterwards you can

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pick it apart you can say okay how does

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that resonate with you and whatever and

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no matter how bizarre all weird when i

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get to them at a certain point and say

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does that resonate with you part of them

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reluctantly generally says well yes

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actually it does even though i'm still

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struggling with that information now

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that to me has an integrity if you are

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going to only allow what is consciously

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acceptable you are never going to get

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the purity of that experience and that

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is my point with all of this is that

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what i believe researchers I think

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they've wanted to retain credibility the

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nuts and bolts errs of a researcher are

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plainly trying to keep it as much as

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possible within a framework when I'm

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saying actually that framework isn't

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useful because it limits what the person

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can actually explore and if we are truly

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wanting to explore multi-dimensional

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reality we have to let go of our own

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paradigm and they have to let go of

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theirs if they want to really see what

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they are experiencing in its

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multi-dimensional nature we

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may not understand it scientifically yet

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but that doesn't take away from its

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credibility and its integrity and when

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you get patterns that are coming up time

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and time again with different people of

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different ages different beliefs

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different professions or coming up with

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similar patterns then that has to have

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some form of veracity because otherwise

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every every regression would be

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different every pattern would be

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different and it's not many many of the

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patterns are actually identical and you

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know when I work in hypnosis I will

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deliberately try and see if I can alter

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their response just to make sure that

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they are being honest with what they're

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seeing and I'll say to them and they'll

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say oh I'm seeing three beings and I'll

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say ah and so what color is their hair

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and they will disqualify that and say

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there's no hair I can't make them see

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hair I can say to them what's in the

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corner of the room and if they're on a

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craft the first thing they're going to

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say there's no corners so even if I try

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and input information which I do

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deliberately they will disqualify it if

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I try to say a certain thing to them

525
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they were disqualified and this happens

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time and time and time again and yet

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afterwards they already have been

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struggling with it but if people say to

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me what is the evidence of that

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experience because they have got bits of

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the craft them x y&z I said the evidence

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is in the the whole fact that they

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change as individuals you don't change

534
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after hallucinations you don't change

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after fantasies but you do change after

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an experience and every single person

537
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after these experiences changes in a

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multitude of ways from in terms of their

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understanding of their own spirituality

540
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consciousness even in terms of their

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motivations and their focus that is

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evidence of a reality even if you can't

543
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:37,669
make it any more tangible at this

544
00:23:42,729 --> 00:23:40,129
present time but the patterns the

545
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:42,739
constant patterns that I get time and

546
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:43,490
time again

547
00:23:48,100 --> 00:23:45,440
n with people that may have read nothing

548
00:23:50,650 --> 00:23:48,110
on this experience literally nothing and

549
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:50,660
that they will still and that some

550
00:23:55,060 --> 00:23:53,210
unique things that they will say that

551
00:23:58,090 --> 00:23:55,070
only those that have an encounter will

552
00:24:01,860 --> 00:23:58,100
say but if you're still going down the

553
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:01,870
the role of trying to keep this into a

554
00:24:07,210 --> 00:24:04,490
paradigm that is limited which we know

555
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:07,220
the third dimensional world is a very

556
00:24:12,700 --> 00:24:09,170
limited paradigm none of us fit in that

557
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:12,710
box really truthfully you know no matter

558
00:24:17,890 --> 00:24:15,170
how hard we might like to I remember

559
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:17,900
talking to a group of businessmen I

560
00:24:22,090 --> 00:24:20,240
think was either probers a rotary and I

561
00:24:23,890 --> 00:24:22,100
remember a gentleman coming up to me and

562
00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:23,900
saying all your the UFO lady I'm gonna

563
00:24:29,140 --> 00:24:27,110
have fun with you so I started off with

564
00:24:32,140 --> 00:24:29,150
something I don't normally do and that's

565
00:24:33,850 --> 00:24:32,150
all these these sort of 60 17 year old

566
00:24:37,180 --> 00:24:33,860
businessman you know what I mean very

567
00:24:39,549 --> 00:24:37,190
very much of their generation I said I

568
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:39,559
would like to challenge you in this room

569
00:24:44,350 --> 00:24:42,170
that every one of you has had an

570
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:44,360
experience that you can't explain in

571
00:24:49,690 --> 00:24:47,450
third dimensional terms not one hand

572
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:49,700
went up and the guy that was going to

573
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:52,970
challenge me didn't say a word because

574
00:24:58,270 --> 00:24:55,250
the truth is were all multi-dimensional

575
00:25:02,080 --> 00:24:58,280
we even if we're not aware or honor it

576
00:25:05,470 --> 00:25:02,090
it's there and the the bottom line is

577
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:05,480
for me is that is that we on some level

578
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:07,850
if you resonate to that material no

579
00:25:12,190 --> 00:25:09,440
matter how bizarre weird and wonderful

580
00:25:14,260 --> 00:25:12,200
it might be all it's saying is you're

581
00:25:17,850 --> 00:25:14,270
not consciously aware of that other part

582
00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:17,860
of you yet but often through meditation

583
00:25:23,530 --> 00:25:21,110
many other things we discovered that

584
00:25:26,020 --> 00:25:23,540
there is another aspect for example I

585
00:25:28,270 --> 00:25:26,030
mean I've done past life work and I've

586
00:25:31,690 --> 00:25:28,280
had some really interesting results to

587
00:25:34,540 --> 00:25:31,700
that some very tangible one lady came to

588
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:34,550
me she was terrified of birds never knew

589
00:25:40,030 --> 00:25:38,000
why absolutely phobic of birds and what

590
00:25:42,220 --> 00:25:40,040
bothered her was a husband wanted to go

591
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:42,230
to Island and he wanted to visit a

592
00:25:46,270 --> 00:25:44,090
falconry and she said I could can't go

593
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:46,280
anywhere near it Mary because and I

594
00:25:49,860 --> 00:25:47,840
don't know where it comes from I've got

595
00:25:52,090 --> 00:25:49,870
nothing that's happened in my life etc

596
00:25:53,770 --> 00:25:52,100
so I said well I tell you what we're

597
00:25:56,580 --> 00:25:53,780
going to talk to that part of you that

598
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:56,590
knows I you know I call it the origin oh

599
00:26:03,630 --> 00:26:00,159
off of that phobia and it took her to

600
00:26:05,370 --> 00:26:03,640
medieval times where she was in she was

601
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:05,380
with her father who was believe it or

602
00:26:10,830 --> 00:26:08,770
not a falconer with brothers and she was

603
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:10,840
a girl and she was being taught how to

604
00:26:16,620 --> 00:26:13,360
manage and learn how to manage her own

605
00:26:18,990 --> 00:26:16,630
Falcon but during that experience with

606
00:26:22,169 --> 00:26:19,000
her father she did something wrong and

607
00:26:24,210 --> 00:26:22,179
she damaged his Falcon and she was

608
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,220
devastated because he loved this bird

609
00:26:29,580 --> 00:26:27,039
and she took the guilt on that through

610
00:26:31,710 --> 00:26:29,590
her own inexperience she had dead that a

611
00:26:33,539 --> 00:26:31,720
malicious Falcon and this was something

612
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:33,549
that was she felt like was in an

613
00:26:38,700 --> 00:26:37,120
energetic imprint if you like and so we

614
00:26:42,330 --> 00:26:38,710
looked at how she could remove that

615
00:26:43,889 --> 00:26:42,340
energetically we did that she came out

616
00:26:45,860 --> 00:26:43,899
of the hypnosis saying I would never in

617
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:45,870
a million years and have believed that

618
00:26:50,580 --> 00:26:48,640
other than that's what I saw and

619
00:26:53,940 --> 00:26:50,590
experienced the proof of the pudding

620
00:26:57,419 --> 00:26:53,950
with that Alex was two months later she

621
00:27:00,240 --> 00:26:57,429
sends me a photograph with her with a

622
00:27:03,210 --> 00:27:00,250
falcon standing sitting on her arm and

623
00:27:05,340 --> 00:27:03,220
said look Mary it worked now if you see

624
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:05,350
that a symbolic you see that as a

625
00:27:10,380 --> 00:27:08,320
creative fantasy that in some way worked

626
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:10,390
doesn't really matter does it does it

627
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:13,330
matter the matter you know what well it

628
00:27:18,180 --> 00:27:15,490
doesn't it in it doesn't because it's

629
00:27:21,210 --> 00:27:18,190
challenging in a couple of ways one you

630
00:27:22,940 --> 00:27:21,220
because you're obviously really bright

631
00:27:26,250 --> 00:27:22,950
but you've approached us in a very

632
00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:26,260
methodical way with the kind of controls

633
00:27:32,010 --> 00:27:29,529
that Jacobs is talking about to write so

634
00:27:34,289 --> 00:27:32,020
you're using some of the same techniques

635
00:27:37,019 --> 00:27:34,299
that a forensic therapist would use but

636
00:27:39,539 --> 00:27:37,029
that is because you want to have some

637
00:27:43,230 --> 00:27:39,549
validation for yourself and for your

638
00:27:45,779 --> 00:27:43,240
clients that there's a reality to this

639
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:45,789
that relates to our reality you know

640
00:27:50,010 --> 00:27:47,049
what i mean so that's what we're all

641
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:50,020
doing so i think to a certain extent

642
00:27:55,230 --> 00:27:52,450
we're kind of torn because sometimes the

643
00:27:57,529 --> 00:27:55,240
things that have most meaning don't fit

644
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:57,539
our reality and we just have to accept

645
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:00,640
that but sometimes they do it so here's

646
00:28:04,860 --> 00:28:03,010
the part that challenges me I look at

647
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:04,870
for example the near-death experience in

648
00:28:07,919 --> 00:28:06,730
the spiritual transformative experiences

649
00:28:10,140 --> 00:28:07,929
and I think I mentioned this to you

650
00:28:12,780 --> 00:28:10,150
before you don't see

651
00:28:15,660 --> 00:28:12,790
the deception the whole shamanic

652
00:28:18,390 --> 00:28:15,670
initiation thing I mean that works to a

653
00:28:20,580 --> 00:28:18,400
certain extent but to another extent it

654
00:28:22,020 --> 00:28:20,590
doesn't work and it doesn't happen and

655
00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:22,030
you don't see it in the near-death

656
00:28:26,220 --> 00:28:24,310
experience if you do the the between

657
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:26,230
lives think one of the things that's

658
00:28:29,010 --> 00:28:27,490
interesting this a little bit of an

659
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:29,020
aside but I think it relates to what

660
00:28:33,530 --> 00:28:31,090
we're talking about I was just what Rick

661
00:28:36,330 --> 00:28:33,540
martini have you seen his documentary on

662
00:28:39,540 --> 00:28:36,340
he went to the Newton Institute did this

663
00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:39,550
fabulous documentary flip side and he's

664
00:28:44,250 --> 00:28:42,310
actually a Los Angeles movie producer

665
00:28:45,420 --> 00:28:44,260
he's done some pretty big movies but one

666
00:28:47,670 --> 00:28:45,430
of the things that he pointed out that i

667
00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:47,680
really had to think about the between

668
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:50,710
lives information science if you want to

669
00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:53,050
call it that contradicts a lot of

670
00:28:57,420 --> 00:28:55,510
Buddhist thought about what happens

671
00:28:59,160 --> 00:28:57,430
right so here we have this long

672
00:29:00,510 --> 00:28:59,170
tradition that everyone Revere's oh the

673
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:00,520
Buddhist and you know Tibetan Book of

674
00:29:03,630 --> 00:29:02,050
the Dead and they know all about it now

675
00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:03,640
we have seven thousand people come back

676
00:29:07,950 --> 00:29:06,310
from Newton and say no that's not the

677
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:07,960
way it is what you think about karma

678
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:10,530
it's not like that there's no karmic

679
00:29:16,050 --> 00:29:13,450
penalty that you have to pay its total

680
00:29:17,850 --> 00:29:16,060
love total forgiveness total you know

681
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:17,860
you're judging yourself how can we make

682
00:29:21,540 --> 00:29:20,080
it how can we make things better that is

683
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:21,550
also what comes through in the near

684
00:29:28,170 --> 00:29:23,440
death experience this kind of pureness

685
00:29:30,930 --> 00:29:28,180
of love in this you don't get that from

686
00:29:34,860 --> 00:29:30,940
the abduction experience you just don't

687
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:34,870
and not in that not in that way isn't

688
00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:37,330
that a little unsettling I mean because

689
00:29:42,750 --> 00:29:39,910
if we add in the fact that there is this

690
00:29:45,870 --> 00:29:42,760
mind control aspect to it if we add into

691
00:29:47,220 --> 00:29:45,880
the humbling it is right because we now

692
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:47,230
realize that there's all these other

693
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:49,450
dimensions we realize where we sit and

694
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:52,090
our narrow little focus here the

695
00:29:57,780 --> 00:29:54,730
opportunity for manipulation the

696
00:30:00,270 --> 00:29:57,790
opportunity for some being which is of a

697
00:30:04,380 --> 00:30:00,280
higher order of consciousness but isn't

698
00:30:08,190 --> 00:30:04,390
really of the highest order to kind of

699
00:30:10,290 --> 00:30:08,200
game in the system in here what are you

700
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:10,300
what are your thoughts on that you have

701
00:30:16,740 --> 00:30:13,120
to go to the soul itself and the origin

702
00:30:18,210 --> 00:30:16,750
is soul and if we honestly feel as my

703
00:30:20,550 --> 00:30:18,220
work has shown me more than my

704
00:30:23,910 --> 00:30:20,560
background in Catholicism and all that

705
00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:23,920
rubbish that I was programmed into

706
00:30:31,380 --> 00:30:29,110
was I I learnt more by reading and doing

707
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:31,390
work with past lives with in between

708
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:34,240
lives with people going to the origin of

709
00:30:39,330 --> 00:30:37,120
their experiences of whatever it is I

710
00:30:41,850 --> 00:30:39,340
learned more from that that I gave

711
00:30:43,650 --> 00:30:41,860
credibility to than I ever did throw any

712
00:30:46,170 --> 00:30:43,660
belief system that I came across on this

713
00:30:48,060 --> 00:30:46,180
planet because that was that was going

714
00:30:50,910 --> 00:30:48,070
to the deeper part of someone's psyche

715
00:30:54,210 --> 00:30:50,920
and I felt that had more credibility to

716
00:30:56,190 --> 00:30:54,220
me many of the those that have had an

717
00:30:58,890 --> 00:30:56,200
experience like an abduction that's

718
00:31:01,080 --> 00:30:58,900
being traumatic or difficult and they

719
00:31:04,410 --> 00:31:01,090
have felt very much victimized by

720
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:04,420
various beings I make sure that in all

721
00:31:08,910 --> 00:31:07,120
of that we explore the experience we

722
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:08,920
explore their interaction with the

723
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:10,690
beings because there is always a

724
00:31:15,390 --> 00:31:12,490
dialogue that they're not consciously

725
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:15,400
aware of we also explore and it's one of

726
00:31:22,770 --> 00:31:18,850
the questions I always ask have you on

727
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:22,780
any level on any level consented to this

728
00:31:29,670 --> 00:31:25,840
experience they always go back to the

729
00:31:32,210 --> 00:31:29,680
soul and saying before I came here there

730
00:31:35,610 --> 00:31:32,220
was an agreement with particular species

731
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:35,620
that I would experience and there would

732
00:31:43,890 --> 00:31:40,570
be a trade-off between my you know for

733
00:31:46,650 --> 00:31:43,900
the trauma that would be a catalyst for

734
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:46,660
X or Y and let's face it you know we're

735
00:31:50,730 --> 00:31:48,730
very good at looking at good and bad but

736
00:31:53,130 --> 00:31:50,740
we don't realize is that sometimes our

737
00:31:56,190 --> 00:31:53,140
most difficult traumatic painful

738
00:31:58,830 --> 00:31:56,200
experiences although the facilitator of

739
00:32:00,720 --> 00:31:58,840
the greatest growth and of understanding

740
00:32:03,660 --> 00:32:00,730
and because it's painful we see it back

741
00:32:06,390 --> 00:32:03,670
as bad instead of actually realizing

742
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:06,400
that that's often the process of the

743
00:32:12,170 --> 00:32:09,730
greatest growth for us as we challenge

744
00:32:14,940 --> 00:32:12,180
ourselves through that process and

745
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:14,950
always it is the sole guiding the

746
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:18,010
journey that is how I see and that's

747
00:32:23,780 --> 00:32:20,650
what comes over time and time and time

748
00:32:27,150 --> 00:32:23,790
again that's awesome it's just extremely

749
00:32:29,820 --> 00:32:27,160
extremely challenging because you also

750
00:32:32,910 --> 00:32:29,830
hear that from the between lives and the

751
00:32:35,820 --> 00:32:32,920
past life thing with murder you even

752
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:35,830
hear it with sexual abuse which is just

753
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:37,690
almost impossible

754
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:39,850
possible for people to get their arms

755
00:32:44,970 --> 00:32:43,210
around and I totally respect that I

756
00:32:48,299 --> 00:32:44,980
can't even touch that you know I just

757
00:32:51,930 --> 00:32:48,309
can't even touch that I think it's

758
00:32:54,210 --> 00:32:51,940
really really challenging to go there in

759
00:32:57,419 --> 00:32:54,220
a way that most people are going to be

760
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:57,429
able to get close to or relate to it's

761
00:33:02,879 --> 00:33:00,159
just too it's just too hard you know

762
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:02,889
because it calls into question some of

763
00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:06,690
our core beliefs about good about baths

764
00:33:11,970 --> 00:33:09,129
and fundamentally about who we are and

765
00:33:14,460 --> 00:33:11,980
how we control things how firmly do you

766
00:33:17,249 --> 00:33:14,470
come down on that side of things that

767
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:17,259
that because if I was going to take that

768
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:19,120
all the way I'd say that you're

769
00:33:26,610 --> 00:33:23,679
suggesting that these encounters with

770
00:33:29,369 --> 00:33:26,620
these alien abductions that we have to

771
00:33:31,860 --> 00:33:29,379
understand them from that from that

772
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:31,870
spiritual perspective and that we cannot

773
00:33:38,789 --> 00:33:34,809
judge them without understanding that

774
00:33:42,350 --> 00:33:38,799
spiritual perspective is that to suggest

775
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:42,360
that that these beings are more

776
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:45,730
spiritual more spiritually advanced than

777
00:33:51,570 --> 00:33:48,730
we are would you go there I would say

778
00:33:53,730 --> 00:33:51,580
certainly some ah right right well some

779
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:53,740
people are too I mean yes sorry today

780
00:33:57,659 --> 00:33:55,570
just like us are they are they more I

781
00:33:59,519 --> 00:33:57,669
mean one of my working hypotheses is

782
00:34:01,200 --> 00:33:59,529
that they're a lot more like us than

783
00:34:03,749 --> 00:34:01,210
they're different from us even their

784
00:34:05,399 --> 00:34:03,759
technology it seems way out there but if

785
00:34:07,740 --> 00:34:05,409
we just take the 100 years and

786
00:34:10,139 --> 00:34:07,750
extrapolate a little bit just a few

787
00:34:11,450 --> 00:34:10,149
hundred more we might be able to get

788
00:34:13,859 --> 00:34:11,460
there so maybe they're not

789
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:13,869
technologically that far along but maybe

790
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:16,089
in this spiritual dimension maybe

791
00:34:20,730 --> 00:34:18,159
they're not that far along maybe they're

792
00:34:22,859 --> 00:34:20,740
like us maybe some of them are perverts

793
00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:22,869
who are doing some pretty bad things and

794
00:34:26,909 --> 00:34:24,609
other ones are loving beings what are

795
00:34:28,530 --> 00:34:26,919
your thoughts on that I go back to the

796
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:28,540
you know if we talk about the monads

797
00:34:31,770 --> 00:34:30,609
that we are have soul groups and we

798
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:31,780
interact with one another through

799
00:34:35,970 --> 00:34:33,970
different lifetimes one of the very

800
00:34:39,569 --> 00:34:35,980
interesting things in my book was a lady

801
00:34:42,540 --> 00:34:39,579
who had implants and she asked me if I

802
00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:42,550
could help her shift them or change them

803
00:34:46,919 --> 00:34:44,260
I mean she wasn't aware that they were

804
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:46,929
physical so much as energetic now this

805
00:34:51,129 --> 00:34:49,450
was very new to me at the time what was

806
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:51,139
fascinating was that

807
00:34:54,849 --> 00:34:52,490
he said she couldn't connect to her

808
00:34:56,859 --> 00:34:54,859
guides and a spiritual side because all

809
00:34:59,170 --> 00:34:56,869
she saw was beings and spaceships and

810
00:35:02,500 --> 00:34:59,180
this frustrated her and she couldn't

811
00:35:05,049 --> 00:35:02,510
even put her head in him upright because

812
00:35:07,410 --> 00:35:05,059
of these implants it was a really

813
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:07,420
unusual regression in the sense that

814
00:35:12,730 --> 00:35:10,490
what I found that she isolated five

815
00:35:14,769 --> 00:35:12,740
places in her body which had implants

816
00:35:17,259 --> 00:35:14,779
one and I had one in her throat one

817
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:17,269
round her solar plexus and one on her

818
00:35:22,930 --> 00:35:20,690
feet the earth anyway so I said okay so

819
00:35:25,809 --> 00:35:22,940
who put them there and she described

820
00:35:29,230 --> 00:35:25,819
three like reptilian beings as being

821
00:35:31,569 --> 00:35:29,240
responsible for them and I said so can

822
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:31,579
we ask why that they put these in she

823
00:35:35,890 --> 00:35:34,010
said they put them in this lifetime she

824
00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:35,900
said because I had an agreement with

825
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:38,240
them when I was in a concentration camp

826
00:35:45,220 --> 00:35:43,010
in Nazi Germany I wanted to survive so

827
00:35:47,319 --> 00:35:45,230
they said they'll help me survive if I

828
00:35:50,049 --> 00:35:47,329
agree that this life timeless is really

829
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:50,059
complex I would have these implants and

830
00:35:54,220 --> 00:35:51,680
have the limits that went with these

831
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:54,230
implants one of them the one in her head

832
00:35:58,660 --> 00:35:56,480
which we removed she explained what it

833
00:36:00,190 --> 00:35:58,670
did to consciousness there was something

834
00:36:01,900 --> 00:36:00,200
that stopped her speaking about her

835
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:01,910
experiences which was another implant

836
00:36:06,999 --> 00:36:04,160
here she went down her body she know

837
00:36:09,249 --> 00:36:07,009
exactly what each one represented and we

838
00:36:11,710 --> 00:36:09,259
literally energetically and spiritually

839
00:36:13,870 --> 00:36:11,720
removed them all which was fascinating

840
00:36:16,539 --> 00:36:13,880
to see how she could articulate she

841
00:36:19,839 --> 00:36:16,549
could create visually what they looked

842
00:36:21,759 --> 00:36:19,849
like how she needed to remove them so I

843
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:21,769
found this fascinating that she'd seen

844
00:36:26,829 --> 00:36:24,650
it connected to a past life we removed

845
00:36:29,859 --> 00:36:26,839
all of these as far as she was aware

846
00:36:32,620 --> 00:36:29,869
from her subconscious she came out she

847
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:32,630
was able they were gone she felt she

848
00:36:36,609 --> 00:36:34,160
could straighten up ahead all those

849
00:36:40,029 --> 00:36:36,619
things were positive but I went back to

850
00:36:42,339 --> 00:36:40,039
her about a year later and I said do you

851
00:36:44,620 --> 00:36:42,349
still understand it in that way that you

852
00:36:46,980 --> 00:36:44,630
had agreed to these implants in a

853
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:46,990
concentration camp in Nazi Germany

854
00:36:54,279 --> 00:36:50,720
actually Mary it came from Egypt when I

855
00:36:56,859 --> 00:36:54,289
was in Egypt before then when I was

856
00:36:59,680 --> 00:36:56,869
aware of my future lives and I decided

857
00:37:03,549 --> 00:36:59,690
that I would have certain limits placed

858
00:37:04,839 --> 00:37:03,559
on me in this particular future lifetime

859
00:37:06,789 --> 00:37:04,849
so actually

860
00:37:10,089 --> 00:37:06,799
I was the orchestrator of my meeting

861
00:37:12,460 --> 00:37:10,099
with them and the agreement to have the

862
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:12,470
implants in the present life that I have

863
00:37:19,150 --> 00:37:15,680
now now wrap your head around that one

864
00:37:21,099 --> 00:37:19,160
no you really you really can't cuz cuz

865
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:21,109
okay so let's immediately flip over

866
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:22,640
since that's such a fantastic story

867
00:37:29,410 --> 00:37:27,440
people do make this stuff up we just

868
00:37:31,390 --> 00:37:29,420
know that they do and we don't know what

869
00:37:34,930 --> 00:37:31,400
that means let me throw that in we don't

870
00:37:39,489 --> 00:37:34,940
know that like if that's metaphorically

871
00:37:41,710 --> 00:37:39,499
true or as some kind of other meaning in

872
00:37:42,849 --> 00:37:41,720
some other way you know for this person

873
00:37:44,469 --> 00:37:42,859
and i don't know i'm not putting her

874
00:37:47,049 --> 00:37:44,479
down I'm just saying here's what the

875
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:47,059
evidence tells me that false memory

876
00:37:52,210 --> 00:37:50,089
that's real that's proven that there's

877
00:37:55,660 --> 00:37:52,220
too many good studies that show that

878
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:55,670
people can be can have false memories

879
00:38:00,309 --> 00:37:57,440
now again you know if you have to open

880
00:38:03,370 --> 00:38:00,319
that up what is a false memory if it's a

881
00:38:06,819 --> 00:38:03,380
memory that that doesn't conform to our

882
00:38:08,229 --> 00:38:06,829
consensus reality and some group of kids

883
00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:08,239
say that they were sexually abused and

884
00:38:11,620 --> 00:38:09,529
they buried the bunnies and here are the

885
00:38:14,769 --> 00:38:11,630
bunnies and there's no bunnies there you

886
00:38:18,789 --> 00:38:14,779
know this but then so let's accept for a

887
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:18,799
second that false memories happen but

888
00:38:23,709 --> 00:38:21,170
the darndest thing is the people that

889
00:38:25,630 --> 00:38:23,719
want to go down that path are often

890
00:38:27,759 --> 00:38:25,640
these folks that then want to throw

891
00:38:30,759 --> 00:38:27,769
everything out and ignore the fact that

892
00:38:33,489 --> 00:38:30,769
they recovered memories are true too so

893
00:38:37,329 --> 00:38:33,499
you know in this real world here we can

894
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:37,339
have two sisters who are sexually abused

895
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:39,890
in the worst way by a family member and

896
00:38:44,650 --> 00:38:42,049
one of them says no it doesn't happen

897
00:38:47,319 --> 00:38:44,660
and the other one says [\h__\h] it

898
00:38:49,809 --> 00:38:47,329
happened I was there and you were there

899
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:49,819
and I know it happened cuz I saw it both

900
00:38:54,759 --> 00:38:52,880
it and the dad is in jail because it

901
00:38:57,130 --> 00:38:54,769
would find out that was happening we

902
00:38:59,859 --> 00:38:57,140
have physical evidence for it so we know

903
00:39:03,130 --> 00:38:59,869
that that person really was able to

904
00:39:06,219 --> 00:39:03,140
repress memory so now from this kind of

905
00:39:08,799 --> 00:39:06,229
this earth kind of reality thing we got

906
00:39:10,059 --> 00:39:08,809
this total contradiction we have this

907
00:39:11,289 --> 00:39:10,069
over here with this there's a false

908
00:39:12,430 --> 00:39:11,299
memory because we know it's a false

909
00:39:14,170 --> 00:39:12,440
memory because it couldn't have happened

910
00:39:16,959 --> 00:39:14,180
we have the same kind of eyewitnesses

911
00:39:18,190 --> 00:39:16,969
that says no you know I was there with

912
00:39:19,390 --> 00:39:18,200
you that didn't happen

913
00:39:21,940 --> 00:39:19,400
we have someone that says I was there

914
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:21,950
with you it did happen you know so back

915
00:39:28,510 --> 00:39:25,280
to your your story what do we do with

916
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:28,520
the fact that we can't necessarily trust

917
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:31,280
all those stories they may be meaningful

918
00:39:36,460 --> 00:39:34,160
for that person they may propel them

919
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:36,470
forward on their in their life's mission

920
00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:38,690
but in the kind of sense that you're an

921
00:39:43,329 --> 00:39:40,510
hour talking it might not be real

922
00:39:45,970 --> 00:39:43,339
firstly you know like I talked about the

923
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:45,980
lady with the the phobia of birds at the

924
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:48,290
end of the day my work as a therapist is

925
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:51,530
to enter someone's world and hopefully

926
00:39:56,829 --> 00:39:53,839
help them to understand more of their

927
00:39:58,960 --> 00:39:56,839
human experience however they choose to

928
00:40:01,060 --> 00:39:58,970
interpret that is their choice it's not

929
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:01,070
my business right what I do look how

930
00:40:07,210 --> 00:40:04,490
when I'm helping someone explore their

931
00:40:10,329 --> 00:40:07,220
experiences in terms of whether it's you

932
00:40:13,089 --> 00:40:10,339
know et or or anything else I'm looking

933
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:13,099
for patterns that I can work from and

934
00:40:16,660 --> 00:40:15,170
that's the only thing I've got because

935
00:40:18,430 --> 00:40:16,670
some people feel they've gone into

936
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:18,440
dimensionally for example they see

937
00:40:23,710 --> 00:40:21,680
aspects of themselves not human for

938
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:23,720
example they see planets that they say

939
00:40:28,270 --> 00:40:25,760
they've come from where they describe

940
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:28,280
how they live all I can do with all of

941
00:40:35,290 --> 00:40:33,410
that is ok so that's is there any others

942
00:40:37,359 --> 00:40:35,300
that have a similar kind of

943
00:40:39,370 --> 00:40:37,369
understanding when they go into that

944
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:39,380
place to they have they seen similar

945
00:40:43,720 --> 00:40:41,200
beings do they have the same

946
00:40:46,900 --> 00:40:43,730
understanding of them or how they

947
00:40:48,990 --> 00:40:46,910
operate or etc and this is all I can do

948
00:40:54,220 --> 00:40:49,000
because I don't know what I don't know

949
00:40:56,020 --> 00:40:54,230
and I can't say from a third dimensional

950
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:56,030
perspective I I mean it just doesn't

951
00:41:00,520 --> 00:40:58,400
even begin to touch the edges of this so

952
00:41:03,220 --> 00:41:00,530
all I can do is continually look for

953
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:03,230
those patterns and that and the fact

954
00:41:07,870 --> 00:41:05,359
that through those experiences people

955
00:41:09,940 --> 00:41:07,880
change however we want to look at it

956
00:41:12,190 --> 00:41:09,950
they're transformative they change the

957
00:41:13,900 --> 00:41:12,200
individual so those is that is the

958
00:41:17,230 --> 00:41:13,910
evidence they don't change after

959
00:41:19,059 --> 00:41:17,240
hallucinations and even with these

960
00:41:20,740 --> 00:41:19,069
experiences that people have on the

961
00:41:24,190 --> 00:41:20,750
craft whether or not they can ever prove

962
00:41:25,660 --> 00:41:24,200
them what are some ways that I work are

963
00:41:27,849 --> 00:41:25,670
you know when they come out with

964
00:41:31,780 --> 00:41:27,859
something extraordinary I'm saying look

965
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:31,790
you've articulated this in hypnosis you

966
00:41:36,490 --> 00:41:33,200
can choose whether or not to believe

967
00:41:38,860 --> 00:41:36,500
what you said or not you can decide

968
00:41:41,290 --> 00:41:38,870
whether or not it resonates and if it

969
00:41:42,910 --> 00:41:41,300
resonates then you choose ok I'm going

970
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:42,920
to integrate that or not at the end of

971
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:45,920
the day that's up to you all I can do

972
00:41:49,450 --> 00:41:47,690
though without is say okay it's not

973
00:41:51,690 --> 00:41:49,460
interesting that's another aspect of

974
00:41:54,070 --> 00:41:51,700
this amazing extraordinary

975
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:54,080
multi-dimension experience that's all I

976
00:41:58,270 --> 00:41:55,970
can never do because that's what I've

977
00:41:59,830 --> 00:41:58,280
got fair enough it's like you're sorting

978
00:42:01,570 --> 00:41:59,840
it and sifting it in different piles you

979
00:42:02,860 --> 00:42:01,580
know see if you get in these nice piles

980
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:02,870
and that all works you go but wait a

981
00:42:05,530 --> 00:42:04,160
minute i also have to sort it in this

982
00:42:07,870 --> 00:42:05,540
way and then you get a total different

983
00:42:09,700 --> 00:42:07,880
organization like well what the heck i

984
00:42:11,890 --> 00:42:09,710
mean whatever we're sorted it comes out

985
00:42:14,020 --> 00:42:11,900
you know what we don't know okay we

986
00:42:16,900 --> 00:42:14,030
don't even know vocality is we don't

987
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:16,910
even know how we may create our own

988
00:42:21,460 --> 00:42:19,250
experience through look at the way that

989
00:42:23,590 --> 00:42:21,470
five people can see an accident and

990
00:42:27,220 --> 00:42:23,600
they're all see different things right

991
00:42:30,340 --> 00:42:27,230
no it's it's you know you're so right

992
00:42:33,340 --> 00:42:30,350
absolutely we don't we obviously don't

993
00:42:35,290 --> 00:42:33,350
have the right biological equipment to

994
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:35,300
really deal with this and even the

995
00:42:39,820 --> 00:42:38,000
biological equipment that we have have

996
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:39,830
enough knowledge of that to know its

997
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:41,810
limitations right i mean we don't we see

998
00:42:44,890 --> 00:42:43,280
things differently but i want to get

999
00:42:46,510 --> 00:42:44,900
back to the point because you hold you

1000
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:46,520
told that story and it was a great story

1001
00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:50,450
but back to that question then so where

1002
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:54,710
are these beings on this scale that i

1003
00:43:01,300 --> 00:42:57,650
want to impose on this even if it's a

1004
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:01,310
false phony scale of I'll spiritual

1005
00:43:07,540 --> 00:43:05,330
hierarchy we're all right okay well the

1006
00:43:10,570 --> 00:43:07,550
way that I look at encounters now is

1007
00:43:13,630 --> 00:43:10,580
that we have many types of physical

1008
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:13,640
forms and the extra-terrestrial then has

1009
00:43:18,820 --> 00:43:15,890
a physical form coming from wherever

1010
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:18,830
many different maybe possible universes

1011
00:43:24,820 --> 00:43:21,440
or whatever then we have the

1012
00:43:27,250 --> 00:43:24,830
interdimensional ones which are another

1013
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:27,260
aspect of encounters and then those two

1014
00:43:31,150 --> 00:43:29,210
might might overlap in terms of being

1015
00:43:34,210 --> 00:43:31,160
that you're not necessarily excluding

1016
00:43:35,500 --> 00:43:34,220
one from the other right yeah no not at

1017
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:35,510
all there could be a being from another

1018
00:43:40,110 --> 00:43:38,240
universe that interacts physically and

1019
00:43:43,330 --> 00:43:40,120
at other times interacts

1020
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:43,340
inter-dimensionally like an OBE kind of

1021
00:43:48,130 --> 00:43:45,680
thing okay then we've got the

1022
00:43:50,859 --> 00:43:48,140
is that uh I don't know what else make

1023
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:50,869
parallel universes we know there's

1024
00:43:55,210 --> 00:43:53,210
possible visits from our future because

1025
00:43:57,849 --> 00:43:55,220
space-time is not how we understand it

1026
00:44:00,549 --> 00:43:57,859
so some could be from our future as well

1027
00:44:03,579 --> 00:44:00,559
they could be us from our future one of

1028
00:44:05,620 --> 00:44:03,589
the interesting things is with in terms

1029
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:05,630
of time space and our own physical

1030
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:08,210
experience now there's a lot of evidence

1031
00:44:12,670 --> 00:44:10,490
to suggest that what we see as past

1032
00:44:18,190 --> 00:44:12,680
lives are actually all happening right

1033
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:18,200
now so we are if you like the soul is

1034
00:44:22,690 --> 00:44:20,450
like the palm of the hand aspects of us

1035
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:22,700
are having different experiences and

1036
00:44:25,839 --> 00:44:24,319
different realities at different times

1037
00:44:29,740 --> 00:44:25,849
in different dimensions and different

1038
00:44:31,540 --> 00:44:29,750
parallel universes so have I done your

1039
00:44:34,770 --> 00:44:31,550
head in enough so it could be all of

1040
00:44:37,660 --> 00:44:34,780
that right for all we know right right

1041
00:44:42,250 --> 00:44:37,670
angelic realms are they a different

1042
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:42,260
frequency yes very likely um say that

1043
00:44:46,030 --> 00:44:44,569
again because that factors into the

1044
00:44:47,470 --> 00:44:46,040
other one in a way that we have to kind

1045
00:44:49,630 --> 00:44:47,480
of blur these lines and we don't really

1046
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:49,640
understand time and all that but now

1047
00:44:54,940 --> 00:44:51,920
we're going to step out there and say

1048
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:54,950
something like that which I think has

1049
00:44:59,079 --> 00:44:56,930
some basis to it in a lot of evidence

1050
00:45:01,799 --> 00:44:59,089
that we come across right there are

1051
00:45:04,690 --> 00:45:01,809
these angelic realms there are these

1052
00:45:07,089 --> 00:45:04,700
yeah beings that we seem to encounter

1053
00:45:09,609 --> 00:45:07,099
these spirit guides that pop up these

1054
00:45:12,819 --> 00:45:09,619
beings of light that pop up that seemed

1055
00:45:15,220 --> 00:45:12,829
to be on a different how are you

1056
00:45:17,170 --> 00:45:15,230
thinking that those you're saying those

1057
00:45:21,609 --> 00:45:17,180
are at a different level from what you

1058
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:21,619
can tell so far my understanding is that

1059
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:25,490
there are many levels of awareness as a

1060
00:45:31,930 --> 00:45:28,880
soul and some are more awake as a soul

1061
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:31,940
as Newton talks about some have a higher

1062
00:45:37,870 --> 00:45:35,569
awareness a higher frequency a broader

1063
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:37,880
understanding of their part in the

1064
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:39,970
matrix of what we understand as

1065
00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:44,450
consciousness itself and what I suspect

1066
00:45:49,210 --> 00:45:47,510
happens is in a human experience looking

1067
00:45:52,210 --> 00:45:49,220
at it from a spiritual perspective we

1068
00:45:55,809 --> 00:45:52,220
choose sometimes to be born in a limited

1069
00:45:59,620 --> 00:45:55,819
way so we could experience the totality

1070
00:46:03,400 --> 00:45:59,630
of that limit I read a book called

1071
00:46:06,460 --> 00:46:03,410
then the child of eternity she was a

1072
00:46:08,620 --> 00:46:06,470
born autistic the interesting thing with

1073
00:46:11,950 --> 00:46:08,630
the story was that the mother thought

1074
00:46:15,220 --> 00:46:11,960
the child was very mentally and backward

1075
00:46:17,470 --> 00:46:15,230
in many ways limited she thought that

1076
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:17,480
she couldn't understand anything to the

1077
00:46:22,750 --> 00:46:19,520
child's about eight years old the child

1078
00:46:24,820 --> 00:46:22,760
was shown how to use a computer with

1079
00:46:27,460 --> 00:46:24,830
assistance from the mother all of a

1080
00:46:29,290 --> 00:46:27,470
sudden this child shows that despite the

1081
00:46:32,290 --> 00:46:29,300
fact that it can't that she couldn't

1082
00:46:34,750 --> 00:46:32,300
articulate that she couldn't relate in

1083
00:46:37,330 --> 00:46:34,760
the normal human way she a through

1084
00:46:40,180 --> 00:46:37,340
computer she showed exactly how

1085
00:46:42,310 --> 00:46:40,190
intelligent she was and was downloading

1086
00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:42,320
information through the computer talking

1087
00:46:47,050 --> 00:46:44,510
to a mud through the computer then out

1088
00:46:48,850 --> 00:46:47,060
of the blue this child said to her you

1089
00:46:51,460 --> 00:46:48,860
need to connect to your spirit guide

1090
00:46:53,350 --> 00:46:51,470
Sebastian because mum he needs to

1091
00:46:55,210 --> 00:46:53,360
connect with you now this is not

1092
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:55,220
something she was taught this was

1093
00:47:00,820 --> 00:46:57,290
something that she understood from her

1094
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:00,830
own and awareness despite the fact she

1095
00:47:05,130 --> 00:47:02,450
couldn't have a conversation with her

1096
00:47:08,620 --> 00:47:05,140
mother the mother listen to her and

1097
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:08,630
started to do that and the daughter then

1098
00:47:12,910 --> 00:47:10,010
wrote and I don't know whether she was

1099
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:12,920
nine or ten then said I chose to be

1100
00:47:18,910 --> 00:47:16,010
autistic and her mother on the computer

1101
00:47:22,090 --> 00:47:18,920
said well what do you mean you chose she

1102
00:47:25,780 --> 00:47:22,100
said when I was in utero I limited the

1103
00:47:28,300 --> 00:47:25,790
nutrients that i had so i would have to

1104
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:28,310
go within so i would have more of an

1105
00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:31,520
internal experience rather an external

1106
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:34,310
one so i threw those limits I have

1107
00:47:39,790 --> 00:47:37,010
learned how to resource that in a world

1108
00:47:42,250 --> 00:47:39,800
far better because of those physical

1109
00:47:44,350 --> 00:47:42,260
limits now this was I think she was back

1110
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:44,360
nine or ten when she finally admitted to

1111
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:46,850
her mother her understanding of why she

1112
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:49,490
was autistic what we make of that I mean

1113
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:53,210
it's we you know it's like I found that

1114
00:47:59,160 --> 00:47:56,090
the the more that you explore the more

1115
00:48:02,590 --> 00:47:59,170
the mystery deepens yes but it also

1116
00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:02,600
gives a gift you are more of a sense of

1117
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:07,910
a to me something that makes sense on

1118
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,370
some deeper level even though you can't

1119
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:12,960
work it quite out yet it's me

1120
00:48:18,859 --> 00:48:16,530
so much more than how we taught you know

1121
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:18,869
what we're here for and all the belief

1122
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:22,650
systems are so limited because they're

1123
00:48:27,050 --> 00:48:25,170
not honoring this inner resonance that's

1124
00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:27,060
giving us I'll often a lot of

1125
00:48:31,099 --> 00:48:28,710
information but we don't listen because

1126
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,109
we can't quantify with our our left

1127
00:48:35,180 --> 00:48:33,599
brain you know conscious mind is saying

1128
00:48:37,250 --> 00:48:35,190
well that can't be possible why is it

1129
00:48:39,230 --> 00:48:37,260
impossible how do we know what's

1130
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:39,240
impossible we don't know what's

1131
00:48:43,370 --> 00:48:40,650
impossible because we don't even know

1132
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:43,380
what's possible so how can we possibly

1133
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:46,800
dare to say we know what reality is we

1134
00:48:52,070 --> 00:48:49,490
haven't a clue yeah I think you make

1135
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:52,080
some really good points there and one of

1136
00:48:57,890 --> 00:48:54,690
the things that I see in the the way

1137
00:49:00,170 --> 00:48:57,900
that this journey has taken me is that

1138
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:00,180
there's a lot of work to be done just in

1139
00:49:06,170 --> 00:49:03,200
terms of removing the limitations

1140
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:06,180
falsifying the beliefs that we have and

1141
00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:09,599
not falling for the trap of what does

1142
00:49:12,770 --> 00:49:11,160
that mean you know what does that mean

1143
00:49:16,220 --> 00:49:12,780
and I often encounter that with people

1144
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:16,230
that it's like the first sign of a shift

1145
00:49:20,839 --> 00:49:19,200
for them is for them to say well then

1146
00:49:22,849 --> 00:49:20,849
what does that mean you know jump to the

1147
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:22,859
conclusion and you have to say well I

1148
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:25,440
don't know what it means I mean for

1149
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:27,119
example with the near-death experience

1150
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:28,800
often go that the idea that

1151
00:49:34,609 --> 00:49:31,770
consciousness ends at death has been

1152
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,619
falsified clearly the data it suggests

1153
00:49:38,570 --> 00:49:36,480
it's as well so the heaven is real about

1154
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:38,580
I didn't say that I don't know that I

1155
00:49:43,220 --> 00:49:41,280
just know that consciousness in some way

1156
00:49:45,410 --> 00:49:43,230
we don't understand survives death you

1157
00:49:47,870 --> 00:49:45,420
know and then but it does seem to me

1158
00:49:49,730 --> 00:49:47,880
that the essence of what you're saying

1159
00:49:53,210 --> 00:49:49,740
is something that really resonates with

1160
00:49:57,050 --> 00:49:53,220
me and that's that if you can kind of

1161
00:49:59,420 --> 00:49:57,060
strip off the stuff that was false you

1162
00:50:02,630 --> 00:49:59,430
know that isn't true that isn't moving

1163
00:50:05,540 --> 00:50:02,640
you forward you probably have enough to

1164
00:50:08,750 --> 00:50:05,550
get you to the next hill that then you

1165
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:08,760
can you know you can get to the next

1166
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:10,650
point and that's all you can really do

1167
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:11,970
because you cause you can do is climb

1168
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:13,650
that little hill and then see what's

1169
00:50:17,450 --> 00:50:15,330
being oh there's another hill I gotta go

1170
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:17,460
climb that one you can't jump ahead

1171
00:50:22,849 --> 00:50:20,000
three or four at least I can't yeah I

1172
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:22,859
say it's like you're joining the dots

1173
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:24,810
and the dots encompass the universe

1174
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:26,160
because um

1175
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:28,650
with me I talk about my reality as an

1176
00:50:34,490 --> 00:50:32,250
ice floe that I'm standing on and as I

1177
00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:34,500
learn more information about my reality

1178
00:50:39,290 --> 00:50:37,110
that ice floe melts and I have to jump

1179
00:50:41,180 --> 00:50:39,300
on the next ice floe yeah which works

1180
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:41,190
for a while until that melts and I

1181
00:50:46,670 --> 00:50:44,490
jumped the next one Anakin stimulate

1182
00:50:49,970 --> 00:50:46,680
doing that because as soon as you learn

1183
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:49,980
more it you know it that that's an old

1184
00:50:55,490 --> 00:50:52,290
truth now so okay so now what does this

1185
00:50:57,230 --> 00:50:55,500
information show me and you know and I

1186
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:57,240
just think you know it just keeps it

1187
00:51:02,570 --> 00:51:00,000
keeps expanding some people love that

1188
00:51:05,150 --> 00:51:02,580
and I do because I the mystery intrigues

1189
00:51:06,860 --> 00:51:05,160
me I want to know I feel like an old I

1190
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:06,870
get the Christie you did it one way oh

1191
00:51:16,580 --> 00:51:12,690
wow you know I want to know and I

1192
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:16,590
absolutely love that analogy the

1193
00:51:21,770 --> 00:51:19,110
metaphor the ice flow and you know

1194
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:21,780
having to jump off because it won't

1195
00:51:25,550 --> 00:51:23,610
serve you I mean it just won't it'll

1196
00:51:28,340 --> 00:51:25,560
only take you so far and then you you

1197
00:51:31,790 --> 00:51:28,350
have to you have to leave it so tell me

1198
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:31,800
this married so where is this taking you

1199
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:35,850
in your service work because I see you

1200
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:38,610
as a people helper someone who's serving

1201
00:51:44,060 --> 00:51:41,730
and trying to serve other people why are

1202
00:51:46,250 --> 00:51:44,070
you serving the way you are what what

1203
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:46,260
have you learned that drives you towards

1204
00:51:51,050 --> 00:51:48,090
the kind of service that you're doing

1205
00:51:53,450 --> 00:51:51,060
well I think that anyone that goes into

1206
00:51:55,420 --> 00:51:53,460
any form of healing field I mean I

1207
00:51:58,100 --> 00:51:55,430
started out as a nurse and midwife I

1208
00:52:00,500 --> 00:51:58,110
realized the limits of that because all

1209
00:52:02,620 --> 00:52:00,510
we were doing was fixing and it rather

1210
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:02,630
than looking at preventive medicine

1211
00:52:07,790 --> 00:52:05,280
basically so I went from that into

1212
00:52:10,010 --> 00:52:07,800
counseling saying okay so if we can fix

1213
00:52:12,860 --> 00:52:10,020
more of this that either psychological

1214
00:52:15,770 --> 00:52:12,870
you know issues that create the illness

1215
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:15,780
then that's a step further into helping

1216
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:18,810
somebody here he'll to learn and fix

1217
00:52:23,290 --> 00:52:21,210
themselves up if you like from that it

1218
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:23,300
went into the spiritual realm because

1219
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:25,680
you know when you degree from

1220
00:52:29,870 --> 00:52:27,570
bereavement I worked with a lot of

1221
00:52:32,510 --> 00:52:29,880
people that were dying when people are

1222
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:32,520
facing death that is profound they

1223
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:35,130
explore all the big issues in life and

1224
00:52:39,710 --> 00:52:38,010
and it's always been for me if it's been

1225
00:52:42,290 --> 00:52:39,720
weird and wonderful or strange i've

1226
00:52:45,380 --> 00:52:42,300
always been fascinated like I've wanted

1227
00:52:47,900 --> 00:52:45,390
to understand why we're here what's it

1228
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:47,910
all about even as a child it fascinated

1229
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:50,130
me if it was strange weird and wonderful

1230
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:52,290
and I had a mother that encouraged that

1231
00:52:56,810 --> 00:52:53,760
because she was always fascinated in

1232
00:52:59,390 --> 00:52:56,820
there as well so it's been a desire to

1233
00:53:02,870 --> 00:52:59,400
understand why am I here what's it all

1234
00:53:05,090 --> 00:53:02,880
about so I you know I go through the

1235
00:53:07,340 --> 00:53:05,100
counseling and then I get to people that

1236
00:53:10,070 --> 00:53:07,350
explain that that normal everyday people

1237
00:53:12,260 --> 00:53:10,080
that have lost someone very precious to

1238
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:12,270
them and then they will be aware of

1239
00:53:17,570 --> 00:53:14,880
their their fragrance or they will be

1240
00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:17,580
aware that they're close to them so I

1241
00:53:22,820 --> 00:53:20,040
get a real sense that we you know that

1242
00:53:25,490 --> 00:53:22,830
these that when we die there is still

1243
00:53:29,060 --> 00:53:25,500
life there is life because people are

1244
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:29,070
getting these part from mediums and

1245
00:53:34,010 --> 00:53:31,410
clairvoyance fascinating experiences

1246
00:53:37,460 --> 00:53:34,020
that show there's a tangibility to life

1247
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:37,470
after death okay so how else can i not

1248
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:40,050
from microphone mic in the name bleeding

1249
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:43,680
reincarnation so I go into looking at it

1250
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:46,290
in more depth and I find that when I

1251
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:49,170
work with past lives that people go to

1252
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:51,210
other planets and what happy but it was

1253
00:53:56,930 --> 00:53:53,760
when someone came to me and said Mary

1254
00:53:58,820 --> 00:53:56,940
I've heard you're open-minded I have

1255
00:54:00,620 --> 00:53:58,830
there are no support groups for this

1256
00:54:02,810 --> 00:54:00,630
nobody wants to listen because they

1257
00:54:04,970 --> 00:54:02,820
think you're crazy well that's the first

1258
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:04,980
thing that intrigues marry you see if

1259
00:54:11,210 --> 00:54:08,850
it's unusual and tells me about his

1260
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:11,220
experiences here marks on his body shade

1261
00:54:15,470 --> 00:54:13,200
areas on his legged family are having

1262
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:15,480
experiences the relatives won't come to

1263
00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:17,210
the house because they think it's demons

1264
00:54:25,130 --> 00:54:22,680
what can I do and it was really then and

1265
00:54:27,050 --> 00:54:25,140
I laugh with Ellis he's become a really

1266
00:54:30,890 --> 00:54:27,060
good friend of mine since I saw your

1267
00:54:32,690 --> 00:54:30,900
fault edits I'm down is weird part he's

1268
00:54:36,770 --> 00:54:32,700
you know he's a beautiful bloke and

1269
00:54:39,770 --> 00:54:36,780
anyway but it the whole thing intrigued

1270
00:54:42,370 --> 00:54:39,780
me is that it made a lot of sense on

1271
00:54:45,500 --> 00:54:42,380
many levels and the main thing was to

1272
00:54:46,730 --> 00:54:45,510
nobody seemed to know where to go and I

1273
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:46,740
thought well there's plenty of people

1274
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:48,210
for grief and bereavement there's plenty

1275
00:54:51,140 --> 00:54:49,890
of people for there isn't

1276
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:51,150
penny people doing all these other

1277
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:54,330
things so Mary where it where are you in

1278
00:54:59,930 --> 00:54:56,610
this and I just thought I've got to find

1279
00:55:03,550 --> 00:54:59,940
out I've got to understand and if there

1280
00:55:06,830 --> 00:55:03,560
are experiences in this reality that

1281
00:55:09,890 --> 00:55:06,840
it's still not explored or understood or

1282
00:55:12,860 --> 00:55:09,900
if I can help those in this particular

1283
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:12,870
way however and I didn't even know how

1284
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:14,490
is going to do it Alex to be honest

1285
00:55:20,270 --> 00:55:17,490
other than listen openly that was my

1286
00:55:23,300 --> 00:55:20,280
first protocol and then say okay how

1287
00:55:25,070 --> 00:55:23,310
will what can I do that will help you

1288
00:55:27,380 --> 00:55:25,080
understand that how can we look at that

1289
00:55:29,330 --> 00:55:27,390
from different perspectives or what

1290
00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:29,340
information will be used for all those

1291
00:55:33,350 --> 00:55:31,110
kinds of things in the same way I would

1292
00:55:35,540 --> 00:55:33,360
approach anything I'm actually a very

1293
00:55:37,970 --> 00:55:35,550
practical kind of person what's going to

1294
00:55:40,910 --> 00:55:37,980
be useful to you how's this gonna you

1295
00:55:43,310 --> 00:55:40,920
know the usual things and I found that

1296
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:43,320
what I thought was a really special

1297
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:46,730
unique experience actually wasn't that

1298
00:55:52,730 --> 00:55:49,410
more and more people found me in the

1299
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:52,740
most bizarre ways and I thought well

1300
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:55,680
this is telling me that this is

1301
00:56:01,040 --> 00:55:57,890
important and of course when you realize

1302
00:56:04,130 --> 00:56:01,050
what this actually means but in terms of

1303
00:56:06,410 --> 00:56:04,140
asses and species it's the big stuff you

1304
00:56:08,630 --> 00:56:06,420
can't I tell you the big stuff always

1305
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:08,640
you know let somebody else do that one

1306
00:56:12,890 --> 00:56:10,890
listen this is the big stuff you know I

1307
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:12,900
want to be part of that big stuff cuz

1308
00:56:18,380 --> 00:56:16,410
it's interesting you know and what can

1309
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:18,390
you do you're on that track and you've

1310
00:56:22,460 --> 00:56:19,680
got to find out more and more

1311
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:22,470
information and more than anything it's

1312
00:56:28,490 --> 00:56:25,280
been my journey to because through

1313
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:28,500
helping others and I even though I have

1314
00:56:33,830 --> 00:56:30,960
no conscious experiences that I I can

1315
00:56:35,450 --> 00:56:33,840
put into that box doesn't matter if

1316
00:56:37,250 --> 00:56:35,460
enough people have been to Alaska and

1317
00:56:40,130 --> 00:56:37,260
told me you'll ask or exist Alaska

1318
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:40,140
exists you know end of you know and it's

1319
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:42,570
one of my favorite quotes on on them you

1320
00:56:45,470 --> 00:56:43,770
know television when they say do you

1321
00:56:47,810 --> 00:56:45,480
believe them while I may never go to

1322
00:56:49,100 --> 00:56:47,820
Alaska but if enough people go and tell

1323
00:56:51,620 --> 00:56:49,110
me what it's like take pictures than

1324
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:51,630
I've got to believe it exists end of you

1325
00:56:57,260 --> 00:56:53,760
know that's that's the end of it and

1326
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:57,270
when you've got people the the amazing

1327
00:57:02,490 --> 00:56:59,520
panoramic children particularly children

1328
00:57:04,740 --> 00:57:02,500
the detail when children tell you

1329
00:57:07,860 --> 00:57:04,750
skin of the beings feels like dolphin

1330
00:57:10,350 --> 00:57:07,870
skin what child knows that what child

1331
00:57:12,090 --> 00:57:10,360
talks about going through walls and

1332
00:57:14,220 --> 00:57:12,100
learning things on the craft at five

1333
00:57:16,770 --> 00:57:14,230
years old and mummy you're not my real

1334
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:16,780
mummy my mummys in space you're just

1335
00:57:21,500 --> 00:57:19,090
here to look after me and no I can't

1336
00:57:24,570 --> 00:57:21,510
draw myself because you'd be frightened

1337
00:57:26,550 --> 00:57:24,580
what five-year-old says things like that

1338
00:57:28,650 --> 00:57:26,560
you know the children don't see talk

1339
00:57:31,620 --> 00:57:28,660
shows they don't read books on this they

1340
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:31,630
only know their experience and this is

1341
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:33,610
what the children are saying you know

1342
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:35,770
that for me is you can't get more

1343
00:57:39,390 --> 00:57:37,810
tangible than that when children are

1344
00:57:41,490 --> 00:57:39,400
explaining things they should have no

1345
00:57:44,820 --> 00:57:41,500
knowledge of and you know they're five

1346
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:44,830
or six when a child of ten tells me that

1347
00:57:49,770 --> 00:57:46,770
they came through a portal in the Sun

1348
00:57:52,380 --> 00:57:49,780
that's where they come from now what

1349
00:57:54,570 --> 00:57:52,390
child knows about portals you know or

1350
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:54,580
whatever I mean it's another little boy

1351
00:58:00,060 --> 00:57:57,130
looking at this picture here and telling

1352
00:58:02,100 --> 00:58:00,070
me that that is actually a gate into

1353
00:58:04,650 --> 00:58:02,110
other universes and there are some

1354
00:58:08,010 --> 00:58:04,660
universes that are artificial that in

1355
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:08,020
fact they are have geometric planets if

1356
00:58:12,900 --> 00:58:10,090
you like that are created by some of the

1357
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:12,910
beings and you know he said and

1358
00:58:17,340 --> 00:58:15,010
sometimes technology is sent through

1359
00:58:19,530 --> 00:58:17,350
those portals he described in that

1360
00:58:21,390 --> 00:58:19,540
picture the actual planet is a lot

1361
00:58:23,370 --> 00:58:21,400
bigger that he passes when he's in a

1362
00:58:25,620 --> 00:58:23,380
craft is actually bigger than than that

1363
00:58:27,210 --> 00:58:25,630
Mary and it's actually this is the path

1364
00:58:29,730 --> 00:58:27,220
where I go through into those other

1365
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:29,740
universes and the being seed other

1366
00:58:35,310 --> 00:58:31,930
planets this is an eight-year-old

1367
00:58:38,790 --> 00:58:35,320
telling me this and he also drew a being

1368
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:38,800
on this drawing and I said where did you

1369
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:40,480
see this being and he said oh it doesn't

1370
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:43,210
exist anymore and I said why he said

1371
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:45,610
because of the Big Bang it got too close

1372
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:48,130
to the Big Bang so I said so you're

1373
00:58:54,510 --> 00:58:51,040
saying that there was life before the

1374
00:58:57,150 --> 00:58:54,520
Big Bang he said yes he said um and this

1375
00:59:00,450 --> 00:58:57,160
was before our big bang and then you

1376
00:59:02,310 --> 00:59:00,460
here Alan cone who's a physicist talking

1377
00:59:07,310 --> 00:59:02,320
about the expanding universe and that we

1378
00:59:10,070 --> 00:59:07,320
have constant big bags and you say okay

1379
00:59:13,860 --> 00:59:10,080
so what the children are saying actually

1380
00:59:16,260 --> 00:59:13,870
has a possible credibility even though

1381
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:16,270
as yet I don't know enough

1382
00:59:20,910 --> 00:59:19,090
to say to qualify that absolutely isn't

1383
00:59:23,340 --> 00:59:20,920
it fascinating that a child talks about

1384
00:59:24,750 --> 00:59:23,350
being big extinct getting close to our

1385
00:59:27,660 --> 00:59:24,760
big brain what ain't your old nose

1386
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:27,670
things like that you know and that's the

1387
00:59:31,950 --> 00:59:30,010
thing Alex you know it's it's this kind

1388
00:59:34,340 --> 00:59:31,960
of information that gives it an enormous

1389
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:34,350
amount of credibility and tangibility

1390
00:59:41,550 --> 00:59:37,810
yeah even though at the moment we can't

1391
00:59:45,030 --> 00:59:41,560
qualify so so where do you think this

1392
00:59:50,780 --> 00:59:45,040
research needs to go where would you

1393
00:59:53,610 --> 00:59:50,790
like to see it go from a very practical

1394
00:59:56,340 --> 00:59:53,620
basis in terms of laying out some kind

1395
00:59:59,580 --> 00:59:56,350
of plan what would you like to see

1396
01:00:03,450 --> 00:59:59,590
happen in terms of highest priorities or

1397
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:03,460
are you not as attached to you know

1398
01:00:06,210 --> 01:00:04,810
there's this other side of this there's

1399
01:00:09,540 --> 01:00:06,220
this other side of this kind of

1400
01:00:11,310 --> 01:00:09,550
spiritual knowledge spiritual science

1401
01:00:12,930 --> 01:00:11,320
that says you know we don't have to do

1402
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:12,940
too much you know everything is going to

1403
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:14,530
work out the way it's going to work out

1404
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:15,760
and we don't have to be these little

1405
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:18,250
busy bees over here because that's kind

1406
01:00:24,140 --> 01:00:21,490
of a thing but I think yeah I know from

1407
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:24,150
just talking to you a couple times that

1408
01:00:29,220 --> 01:00:27,130
we have to push that edge to you know we

1409
01:00:32,820 --> 01:00:29,230
just have to challenge that a little bit

1410
01:00:35,730 --> 01:00:32,830
and not be not be too busy but not be

1411
01:00:37,620 --> 01:00:35,740
too complacent either where does this

1412
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:37,630
need to go what's what are your

1413
01:00:42,590 --> 01:00:40,330
priorities in terms of what needs to

1414
01:00:44,790 --> 01:00:42,600
happen for this research to move forward

1415
01:00:48,330 --> 01:00:44,800
one of the things i haven't mentioned to

1416
01:00:51,300 --> 01:00:48,340
you is that I've connected with a group

1417
01:00:53,220 --> 01:00:51,310
and they're based in Miami so we're

1418
01:00:55,860 --> 01:00:53,230
going to have the story with as many

1419
01:00:58,440 --> 01:00:55,870
witnesses I mean one of them is going to

1420
01:01:01,410 --> 01:00:58,450
be Giles who's my science advisor who's

1421
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:01,420
a geneticist who lives five minutes away

1422
01:01:08,220 --> 01:01:05,200
from here who was one of my clients who

1423
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:08,230
was dealing with his science side that

1424
01:01:12,690 --> 01:01:10,690
says I can't be seeing UFOs I can't be

1425
01:01:14,700 --> 01:01:12,700
seeing beings in my room but my

1426
01:01:17,100 --> 01:01:14,710
partner's been seeing them as well as me

1427
01:01:20,190 --> 01:01:17,110
my father sees the UFOs thought he was

1428
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:20,200
going crazy came to see me and two years

1429
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:24,130
ago and really I've been since then he's

1430
01:01:27,450 --> 01:01:25,570
been to the US had some incredible

1431
01:01:29,420 --> 01:01:27,460
experiences when he went to James

1432
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:29,430
Gilliland's ranch and others

1433
01:01:34,579 --> 01:01:31,650
has come back and now bought a 40-acre

1434
01:01:36,530 --> 01:01:34,589
block just down the road from me he's

1435
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:36,540
going to tell his story because there he

1436
01:01:42,650 --> 01:01:39,599
is he is was assistant senior scientist

1437
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:42,660
at the CSIRO in Tasmania we've got ray

1438
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:44,490
who's got all his credentials as an

1439
01:01:49,309 --> 01:01:46,890
attorney will have another another

1440
01:01:52,390 --> 01:01:49,319
really brilliant story and then we'll

1441
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:52,400
get Rudy and Edgar and others from

1442
01:02:00,020 --> 01:01:55,970
Edgar's a hot own scientific colleagues

1443
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:00,030
to help to balance out the experience by

1444
01:02:05,329 --> 01:02:03,450
as much as possible bringing the latest

1445
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:05,339
science understanding of quantum physics

1446
01:02:09,980 --> 01:02:08,490
to say well actually this distance are

1447
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:09,990
hard if you look at it from this

1448
01:02:16,940 --> 01:02:12,930
perspective so that we can present very

1449
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:16,950
credible um information that we've

1450
01:02:21,079 --> 01:02:19,650
covered as many bases so that we're you

1451
01:02:23,930 --> 01:02:21,089
know because that's been part of the

1452
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:23,940
problem alex is that documentary makers

1453
01:02:29,630 --> 01:02:27,119
look for the sensationalist they look at

1454
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:29,640
what they can do to make the person out

1455
01:02:35,299 --> 01:02:33,450
to be as crazy space cadet as possible

1456
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:35,309
nine times out of ten they bring in

1457
01:02:39,559 --> 01:02:37,650
skeptics that haven't a clue about this

1458
01:02:41,750 --> 01:02:39,569
phenomena and think that they have the

1459
01:02:44,270 --> 01:02:41,760
right to even say anything when they've

1460
01:02:46,609 --> 01:02:44,280
not even read half a page of anything to

1461
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:46,619
do with this so what we're saying is now

1462
01:02:51,829 --> 01:02:50,010
we are going to control the data that

1463
01:02:54,910 --> 01:02:51,839
goes to the public and it's going to

1464
01:02:58,220 --> 01:02:54,920
come from the basis of decent research

1465
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:58,230
through people that are coming from a

1466
01:03:04,190 --> 01:03:01,440
place of of at least openness in terms

1467
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:04,200
of the the the matrix as well as

1468
01:03:10,609 --> 01:03:07,290
scientists like Rudy was I spent four

1469
01:03:12,859 --> 01:03:10,619
days in Newport and Rudy was looking at

1470
01:03:15,799 --> 01:03:12,869
all these amazing drawings my clients

1471
01:03:17,150 --> 01:03:15,809
had done looking at them from a from a

1472
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:17,160
quantum perspective from an

1473
01:03:22,069 --> 01:03:19,530
astrophysicist point of view and it was

1474
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:22,079
amazing i never thought i would spend of

1475
01:03:26,030 --> 01:03:23,760
all people but you know people like

1476
01:03:28,700 --> 01:03:26,040
Dennis brief or an engineer they were

1477
01:03:32,349 --> 01:03:28,710
more interested in this weird stuff the

1478
01:03:35,210 --> 01:03:32,359
scripts that make my clients do and the

1479
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:35,220
geometric forms that seem to take people

1480
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:38,010
into another space if you like they act

1481
01:03:42,330 --> 01:03:40,810
as a kind of conjure a portal

1482
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:42,340
and others where they come out with

1483
01:03:46,500 --> 01:03:45,010
these star languages what are they some

1484
01:03:51,450 --> 01:03:46,510
of them very look very similar to old

1485
01:03:53,850 --> 01:03:51,460
Sumerian some of the old era Arabic and

1486
01:03:56,910 --> 01:03:53,860
many others but they say they're from

1487
01:03:59,100 --> 01:03:56,920
this their star families and they they

1488
01:04:01,650 --> 01:03:59,110
can speak them as naturally as you and I

1489
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:01,660
speak English what is all of that you

1490
01:04:05,700 --> 01:04:03,370
know how can you not look at that and

1491
01:04:06,990 --> 01:04:05,710
say that why are they doing this you

1492
01:04:09,060 --> 01:04:07,000
know they're doing all this strange

1493
01:04:11,070 --> 01:04:09,070
stuff after their experiences why can't

1494
01:04:12,810 --> 01:04:11,080
you see that as a evidence of an

1495
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:12,820
experience you don't do that normally

1496
01:04:18,420 --> 01:04:15,610
you know right you don't mean it's all

1497
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:18,430
the expressions that and changes and the

1498
01:04:22,590 --> 01:04:20,410
way they understand healing from a

1499
01:04:27,210 --> 01:04:22,600
completely different perspective in how

1500
01:04:30,300 --> 01:04:27,220
they are able to work with energies

1501
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:30,310
under see auras and one day one lady

1502
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:32,170
told me that she can go forward in time

1503
01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:35,050
if she wants an answer about her future

1504
01:04:40,110 --> 01:04:37,510
self she can project her consciousness

1505
01:04:41,850 --> 01:04:40,120
to forward in time to what a future self

1506
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:41,860
can advise her and bring that

1507
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:44,370
information back into her present self I

1508
01:04:51,210 --> 01:04:48,730
mean that is just brilliant you know why

1509
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:51,220
can we not listen to this stuff you know

1510
01:04:58,110 --> 01:04:54,130
one thing that that Jacob said that I I

1511
01:05:02,880 --> 01:04:58,120
did think was was pretty spot-on is he

1512
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:02,890
said okay so none of its none of its you

1513
01:05:08,010 --> 01:05:05,650
know otherworldly alien none of its any

1514
01:05:10,590 --> 01:05:08,020
of that okay just explain it in

1515
01:05:12,270 --> 01:05:10,600
conventional terms for me come along the

1516
01:05:14,010 --> 01:05:12,280
lines what what you're saying you know

1517
01:05:14,970 --> 01:05:14,020
there's a term for that I forget what

1518
01:05:17,310 --> 01:05:14,980
you know when people have these

1519
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:17,320
spontaneous ability to speak other

1520
01:05:21,420 --> 01:05:19,810
languages great to just approach it from

1521
01:05:22,860 --> 01:05:21,430
that standpoint just tell me how it

1522
01:05:24,900 --> 01:05:22,870
works from that standpoint we can leave

1523
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:24,910
the aliens out of it just tell me how it

1524
01:05:29,010 --> 01:05:26,650
works there or tell me how this works

1525
01:05:31,380 --> 01:05:29,020
tell me on this earth it's like well you

1526
01:05:34,590 --> 01:05:31,390
know I don't know I why don't we

1527
01:05:38,210 --> 01:05:34,600
exploring this Wow looking why a nine

1528
01:05:40,650 --> 01:05:38,220
year old from Northern Europe over Skype

1529
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:40,660
baronin first beer and interpreter

1530
01:05:44,810 --> 01:05:42,370
telling coming out with the languages in

1531
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:44,820
front of me literally just I'll take

1532
01:05:50,850 --> 01:05:47,290
articulating the language and she said

1533
01:05:53,730 --> 01:05:50,860
one of them actually heals water in

1534
01:05:55,590 --> 01:05:53,740
other words the frequency she said he

1535
01:05:57,690 --> 01:05:55,600
water and she you know what

1536
01:06:00,450 --> 01:05:57,700
nine-year-old talks lad I said can you

1537
01:06:02,370 --> 01:06:00,460
articulate it for me right in front of

1538
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:02,380
me over Skype this nine-year-old doesn't

1539
01:06:07,620 --> 01:06:04,450
even speak English is saying this

1540
01:06:10,050 --> 01:06:07,630
language to me this stranger I had a

1541
01:06:12,030 --> 01:06:10,060
seven-year-old get my book which has got

1542
01:06:14,490 --> 01:06:12,040
alien script in it from the Sunshine

1543
01:06:16,380 --> 01:06:14,500
Coast here a mother said she told me

1544
01:06:18,540 --> 01:06:16,390
Mary that she could read it so I said to

1545
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:18,550
the nut of the seven-year-old I said

1546
01:06:23,340 --> 01:06:20,530
could you read the script to me it was

1547
01:06:24,660 --> 01:06:23,350
one Tracy Taylor did and she she said

1548
01:06:27,090 --> 01:06:24,670
you wanted in the language or do you

1549
01:06:28,620 --> 01:06:27,100
want it in English so I said well could

1550
01:06:30,750 --> 01:06:28,630
you do it in the language first and then

1551
01:06:33,660 --> 01:06:30,760
tell me what it is in English yes she

1552
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:33,670
said so she repeats it in the language

1553
01:06:37,980 --> 01:06:36,130
then she tells me what it says and she

1554
01:06:42,180 --> 01:06:37,990
said and I think this comes from the

1555
01:06:43,650 --> 01:06:42,190
greys she's 7 so Mary I mean what one

1556
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:43,660
thought I have I mean that the free

1557
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:45,760
thing is is awesome and the

1558
01:06:54,660 --> 01:06:49,890
documentaries are great what about just

1559
01:06:57,630 --> 01:06:54,670
publishing more stuff more regressions

1560
01:07:00,080 --> 01:06:57,640
is there a problem with that I you know

1561
01:07:03,900 --> 01:07:00,090
I mean I know there's a privacy issue

1562
01:07:05,370 --> 01:07:03,910
but beyond that I'd like to see more of

1563
01:07:07,500 --> 01:07:05,380
that I think there's a lot of people

1564
01:07:09,690 --> 01:07:07,510
that like to see more of that I think

1565
01:07:13,109 --> 01:07:09,700
it's powerful I think there's something

1566
01:07:16,830 --> 01:07:13,119
about the rawness of it that in some

1567
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:16,840
ways works better than documentaries or

1568
01:07:22,260 --> 01:07:19,930
you know packaged stuff and I think it's

1569
01:07:24,690 --> 01:07:22,270
also it resonates with people from a

1570
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:24,700
current you know social media kind of

1571
01:07:29,030 --> 01:07:26,650
standpoint and any thoughts on I saw the

1572
01:07:33,390 --> 01:07:29,040
one the one that you did with the guy

1573
01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:33,400
Peter Peter I it's compelling stuff you

1574
01:07:39,030 --> 01:07:35,920
know it's compelling stuff happens what

1575
01:07:41,180 --> 01:07:39,040
do you know where the there is another

1576
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:41,190
intelligence that will come in and

1577
01:07:46,710 --> 01:07:44,170
answer questions but the other thing

1578
01:07:48,300 --> 01:07:46,720
that that it kind of reveals is that if

1579
01:07:51,150 --> 01:07:48,310
you take this thing and if you approach

1580
01:07:53,609 --> 01:07:51,160
it kind of like I am with a kind of some

1581
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:53,619
I skeptical kind of prove it to me make

1582
01:07:57,660 --> 01:07:55,090
this fit with the other things that I

1583
01:08:00,000 --> 01:07:57,670
know like one thing it does it's hard

1584
01:08:02,099 --> 01:08:00,010
for anyone to really challenge your

1585
01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:02,109
protocol you know although I would have

1586
01:08:05,220 --> 01:08:03,520
liked to seen the whole thing I would

1587
01:08:06,570 --> 01:08:05,230
have liked to seen the induction the

1588
01:08:07,650 --> 01:08:06,580
exact thing that you go through because

1589
01:08:10,740 --> 01:08:07,660
I think what it would

1590
01:08:13,710 --> 01:08:10,750
shown is come on you know she didn't do

1591
01:08:17,070 --> 01:08:13,720
any kind of [\h__\h] mind trick anything

1592
01:08:19,010 --> 01:08:17,080
like that it's exactly the same as my

1593
01:08:22,559 --> 01:08:19,020
CDs you know I've got a whole range of

1594
01:08:25,169 --> 01:08:22,569
meditation cds i use color and imagery

1595
01:08:27,090 --> 01:08:25,179
that's all to take people to the place

1596
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:27,100
where they finally and there's a ship

1597
01:08:32,490 --> 01:08:29,650
that goes from where they're saying well

1598
01:08:34,740 --> 01:08:32,500
I see a doorway out of out of my out of

1599
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:34,750
this room into where we're going then

1600
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:36,850
they sort of shift and you're saying to

1601
01:08:41,610 --> 01:08:39,489
you're saying to the subconscious now I

1602
01:08:44,370 --> 01:08:41,620
we're looking at the origin of this

1603
01:08:46,740 --> 01:08:44,380
experience and they will go to whatever

1604
01:08:48,900 --> 01:08:46,750
age is appropriate even though that you

1605
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:48,910
know they may not remember their

1606
01:08:54,599 --> 01:08:52,210
subconscious will know and I use I I

1607
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:54,609
often used always I'll say well this is

1608
01:08:59,249 --> 01:08:57,130
starting from the age you are now going

1609
01:09:01,320 --> 01:08:59,259
back in time which doorway do you need

1610
01:09:04,349 --> 01:09:01,330
to stand in front of and what age does

1611
01:09:06,059 --> 01:09:04,359
it say and they will say oh it's seven

1612
01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:06,069
or it's five I will never know where

1613
01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:08,560
they will go and then when you take them

1614
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:11,440
through it then that's when you start to

1615
01:09:16,260 --> 01:09:13,600
get them to describe whatever it is that

1616
01:09:18,599 --> 01:09:16,270
that is presenting to them and I am you

1617
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:18,609
know it really is it's amit there's a

1618
01:09:22,289 --> 01:09:20,799
kind of shift that goes on from where

1619
01:09:24,059 --> 01:09:22,299
you know you're getting them to sell

1620
01:09:25,939 --> 01:09:24,069
well what does the door look like i'm

1621
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:25,949
getting them to use their visual and

1622
01:09:30,689 --> 01:09:28,810
self you know that inner eye to do that

1623
01:09:32,039 --> 01:09:30,699
and they may say oh well i think it's

1624
01:09:33,900 --> 01:09:32,049
you know it looks like wood and i'm

1625
01:09:36,269 --> 01:09:33,910
saying fine so that i know that i'm

1626
01:09:38,459 --> 01:09:36,279
getting them to be able to use it inner

1627
01:09:41,189 --> 01:09:38,469
eye for their information and once I've

1628
01:09:44,459 --> 01:09:41,199
got that then I let them literally what

1629
01:09:46,349 --> 01:09:44,469
I'm I'll say what happens next I won't

1630
01:09:49,050 --> 01:09:46,359
give them any clues they'll say oh I'm

1631
01:09:52,019 --> 01:09:49,060
seeing this what happens next there is

1632
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:52,029
no input there is nothing also what

1633
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:54,610
happens next and sometimes I'll say look

1634
01:09:58,169 --> 01:09:56,410
around i'll say i'm not aware of

1635
01:10:01,320 --> 01:09:58,179
anything well just have a look around

1636
01:10:02,939 --> 01:10:01,330
and it is it the same so sometimes

1637
01:10:04,290 --> 01:10:02,949
because they're actually not wanting to

1638
01:10:05,939 --> 01:10:04,300
say those are being standing there

1639
01:10:07,919 --> 01:10:05,949
because they don't want to admit it so

1640
01:10:09,660 --> 01:10:07,929
i'll say are you alone or I'm not sure

1641
01:10:12,540 --> 01:10:09,670
right we'll have another look around

1642
01:10:16,620 --> 01:10:12,550
have a sense an l-sit are there's one

1643
01:10:18,900 --> 01:10:16,630
right here right here okay so what do

1644
01:10:21,330 --> 01:10:18,910
they look I don't know right well just

1645
01:10:23,310 --> 01:10:21,340
just I want you to turn round

1646
01:10:24,570 --> 01:10:23,320
really slowly and gradually they'll be

1647
01:10:26,850 --> 01:10:24,580
able to build up what they're actually

1648
01:10:28,740 --> 01:10:26,860
seen because there's a lot of fear often

1649
01:10:30,959 --> 01:10:28,750
in the way so you've got to just take

1650
01:10:32,550 --> 01:10:30,969
them that step beyond you know where

1651
01:10:34,620 --> 01:10:32,560
they want to go sometimes but if it's

1652
01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:34,630
completely closed down then they won't

1653
01:10:38,820 --> 01:10:36,310
tell you anyway you know they'll just so

1654
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:38,830
I don't see anything and then you know

1655
01:10:43,290 --> 01:10:41,290
okay the psyche saying that they want to

1656
01:10:44,939 --> 01:10:43,300
go there and I don't push that Alex

1657
01:10:47,310 --> 01:10:44,949
because I always believed that the

1658
01:10:49,500 --> 01:10:47,320
psyche knows best so if the psyche

1659
01:10:51,660 --> 01:10:49,510
saying they're not ready some will get

1660
01:10:53,669 --> 01:10:51,670
thing really sick or something like that

1661
01:10:55,919 --> 01:10:53,679
and it's another pardon saying they're

1662
01:10:58,680 --> 01:10:55,929
not ready yet so I listen to all those

1663
01:11:00,479 --> 01:10:58,690
cues that the psyche is saying today not

1664
01:11:03,060 --> 01:11:00,489
time yet they're not ready yet or

1665
01:11:05,100 --> 01:11:03,070
whatever however that manifests because

1666
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:05,110
you know it is about their process it's

1667
01:11:08,459 --> 01:11:06,400
not what I want to know it's what they

1668
01:11:12,899 --> 01:11:08,469
want to know when they're ready to hear

1669
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:12,909
it so it's working with them and what is

1670
01:11:17,970 --> 01:11:15,250
ok for them stop you know this isn't my

1671
01:11:20,550 --> 01:11:17,980
journey this is theirs so the focus is

1672
01:11:25,140 --> 01:11:20,560
always on them and that's to me is is

1673
01:11:26,459 --> 01:11:25,150
you know the only ethical way to work

1674
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:26,469
because you're working with someone's

1675
01:11:32,490 --> 01:11:29,170
psyche and what they may see and

1676
01:11:34,709 --> 01:11:32,500
experience may be really huge and it

1677
01:11:36,149 --> 01:11:34,719
takes time to come to terms with the

1678
01:11:38,250 --> 01:11:36,159
fact that you know they may see

1679
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:38,260
themselves being told that one of the

1680
01:11:41,879 --> 01:11:40,449
beings is their genetic father how would

1681
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:41,889
you like to be told this blue being

1682
01:11:45,660 --> 01:11:43,570
standing in front of you six foot tall

1683
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:45,670
with no hair and big black eyes is a

1684
01:11:52,379 --> 01:11:48,610
genetic part of you I take some dealing

1685
01:11:55,020 --> 01:11:52,389
with you know so you you know I'm

1686
01:11:57,390 --> 01:11:55,030
testing the water the whole time I'm in

1687
01:11:59,910 --> 01:11:57,400
there with them I'm in there every step

1688
01:12:01,680 --> 01:11:59,920
of the way because I sort of tune into

1689
01:12:04,950 --> 01:12:01,690
if you know what I mean I live because

1690
01:12:07,649 --> 01:12:04,960
like I am and that's really important

1691
01:12:09,959 --> 01:12:07,659
because when you use with hypnosis your

1692
01:12:12,570 --> 01:12:09,969
voice has to be the frequency to get

1693
01:12:15,660 --> 01:12:12,580
them into the frequency so my voice is

1694
01:12:18,959 --> 01:12:15,670
of that frequency which helps them to

1695
01:12:22,260 --> 01:12:18,969
actually resonate with that so and I do

1696
01:12:24,810 --> 01:12:22,270
get kind of an intuition way to go

1697
01:12:27,870 --> 01:12:24,820
sometimes and I follow that as well so

1698
01:12:30,330 --> 01:12:27,880
it's it's like hmm okay we need to go

1699
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:30,340
that way okay so all the time i'm

1700
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:32,770
working on a multi-level this is this is

1701
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:33,920
um

1702
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:37,489
very they're trusting me with something

1703
01:12:42,459 --> 01:12:40,130
really unique and special and I know I

1704
01:12:45,430 --> 01:12:42,469
can't abused that so I have to be and

1705
01:12:49,090 --> 01:12:45,440
this is why I get very upset with

1706
01:12:50,830 --> 01:12:49,100
Annette amateur people who learn a bit

1707
01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:50,840
of hypnosis and think they can do this

1708
01:12:54,250 --> 01:12:52,880
because it was do copy you know this

1709
01:12:56,260 --> 01:12:54,260
isn't right you've got to understand

1710
01:12:59,530 --> 01:12:56,270
screen memories you've got to understand

1711
01:13:00,880 --> 01:12:59,540
if they're seeing a clown what to ask so

1712
01:13:02,950 --> 01:13:00,890
they're not seeing the clown and they're

1713
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:02,960
actually seeing who it is you know there

1714
01:13:06,100 --> 01:13:04,250
are all those things if you don't know

1715
01:13:08,110 --> 01:13:06,110
about screens if you don't know about

1716
01:13:09,729 --> 01:13:08,120
how they can sometimes present

1717
01:13:11,740 --> 01:13:09,739
themselves then you're actually saying

1718
01:13:14,380 --> 01:13:11,750
also you're seeing a clown okay we're in

1719
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:14,390
the wrong room you know so all that you

1720
01:13:18,580 --> 01:13:16,130
have to know the phenomena you have to

1721
01:13:21,550 --> 01:13:18,590
know what to ask and many experiences

1722
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:21,560
say that UFO researchers don't always

1723
01:13:26,530 --> 01:13:24,290
know what to ask they don't ask the

1724
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:26,540
right questions and that I took to heart

1725
01:13:31,630 --> 01:13:29,449
so when before we start I'll say to my

1726
01:13:34,810 --> 01:13:31,640
client what is it you most want to know

1727
01:13:38,050 --> 01:13:34,820
what are the priorities for you in terms

1728
01:13:40,750 --> 01:13:38,060
of our focus cuz that's where we'll go

1729
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:40,760
and I always and I do always the

1730
01:13:44,950 --> 01:13:43,489
conscious remember memory first with

1731
01:13:47,530 --> 01:13:44,960
talking with them and then I'll say

1732
01:13:49,990 --> 01:13:47,540
right now we've talked to the other part

1733
01:13:52,810 --> 01:13:50,000
of you we know now that to ask that

1734
01:13:55,660 --> 01:13:52,820
other part of you to give us what it is

1735
01:13:58,930 --> 01:13:55,670
that is most useful for you right at

1736
01:14:01,660 --> 01:13:58,940
this moment in time not more than you

1737
01:14:04,030 --> 01:14:01,670
need just enough so we're putting out

1738
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:04,040
that intent and I believe that that is

1739
01:14:08,890 --> 01:14:06,530
really important that your intent has

1740
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:08,900
that motivation and that integrity and

1741
01:14:14,260 --> 01:14:12,050
with that then the person can feel safe

1742
01:14:16,150 --> 01:14:14,270
enough to know that another part of them

1743
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:16,160
is guiding that because it is their

1744
01:14:20,860 --> 01:14:18,650
subconscious superconscious Higher Self

1745
01:14:22,419 --> 01:14:20,870
whatever name you want to give to it if

1746
01:14:25,390 --> 01:14:22,429
they are very spiritual our youth

1747
01:14:27,490 --> 01:14:25,400
spiritual terms if they're very

1748
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:27,500
cognitive are you subconscious super

1749
01:14:32,020 --> 01:14:29,600
conscious or even just the part of you

1750
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:32,030
that knows that deeper part so I'm

1751
01:14:37,810 --> 01:14:35,330
working from a spiritual base not just

1752
01:14:40,330 --> 01:14:37,820
purely a clinical one because this is a

1753
01:14:42,729 --> 01:14:40,340
it says a spiritual journey they're

1754
01:14:44,740 --> 01:14:42,739
learning to change and understand who

1755
01:14:46,030 --> 01:14:44,750
that there are and why they're here and

1756
01:14:47,740 --> 01:14:46,040
what it's about I'm

1757
01:14:50,350 --> 01:14:47,750
why they have a sense of mission why

1758
01:14:51,970 --> 01:14:50,360
they have a sense of purpose why they

1759
01:14:54,130 --> 01:14:51,980
are motivated in the way that they're

1760
01:14:55,930 --> 01:14:54,140
motivate those are all the questions so

1761
01:14:58,570 --> 01:14:55,940
we're asking the higher part of them for

1762
01:15:00,820 --> 01:14:58,580
those answers from however they can

1763
01:15:02,710 --> 01:15:00,830
understand in the most balanced and

1764
01:15:05,050 --> 01:15:02,720
healthy way for them to integrate them

1765
01:15:07,180 --> 01:15:05,060
so that's the intent so that's what

1766
01:15:09,580 --> 01:15:07,190
we're pulling out and that's how it sort

1767
01:15:12,220 --> 01:15:09,590
of unfolds whatever's right for them

1768
01:15:14,410 --> 01:15:12,230
then unfolds from that that baseline you

1769
01:15:16,210 --> 01:15:14,420
know I trust that absolutely and it's

1770
01:15:21,220 --> 01:15:16,220
always worked otherwise i'd probably be

1771
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:21,230
sued by a lot of people when I yeah so

1772
01:15:25,180 --> 01:15:22,690
there is you know that's the difference

1773
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:25,190
Alex's and I'm coming very much from a

1774
01:15:31,150 --> 01:15:27,410
spiritual perspective and you know

1775
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:31,160
through my own my own sort of sense of

1776
01:15:36,550 --> 01:15:33,890
integrity and professionalism which is

1777
01:15:40,570 --> 01:15:36,560
really important you know and always has

1778
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:40,580
been for me you know well that's awesome

1779
01:15:46,660 --> 01:15:43,610
it's it's absolutely great work I'm

1780
01:15:48,370 --> 01:15:46,670
going to try and put this together the

1781
01:15:50,500 --> 01:15:48,380
best way I can and get it out there

1782
01:15:52,030 --> 01:15:50,510
people need to hear this I mean I think

1783
01:15:54,490 --> 01:15:52,040
obviously you know there's a lot of

1784
01:15:57,940 --> 01:15:54,500
people out there that desperately need

1785
01:15:59,500 --> 01:15:57,950
your help more than that they need more

1786
01:16:00,670 --> 01:15:59,510
Mary's you know there's there's not

1787
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:00,680
going to be enough and you're going to

1788
01:16:05,740 --> 01:16:04,130
have more emails but I don't know what

1789
01:16:07,990 --> 01:16:05,750
we do about that either though you know

1790
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:08,000
I mean because as you just alluded to

1791
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:09,890
him you that's tough to you know on one

1792
01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:13,730
hand we need to train other therapists

1793
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:16,490
in doing this that have you thought

1794
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:19,570
about that is that i have and i do have

1795
01:16:25,390 --> 01:16:22,250
therapists that come to me and say can

1796
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:25,400
you teach me how you work and so I say

1797
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:26,930
well you're going to have to open up the

1798
01:16:30,580 --> 01:16:28,970
other side of you that enjoy decide as

1799
01:16:32,860 --> 01:16:30,590
well because you'll need this because

1800
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:32,870
those that come to me are highly

1801
01:16:38,440 --> 01:16:37,010
intuitive as well as you know you know

1802
01:16:40,570 --> 01:16:38,450
they can be highly intelligent also a

1803
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:40,580
highly intuitive I said and so they're

1804
01:16:44,440 --> 01:16:42,770
going to sense whether you're going to

1805
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:44,450
be the right person for them or not and

1806
01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:46,250
whether you're opening up because I'll

1807
01:16:50,500 --> 01:16:48,080
only tell you as much as they feel safe

1808
01:16:52,990 --> 01:16:50,510
to tell you so that's the first thing so

1809
01:16:54,790 --> 01:16:53,000
it's about being really open and open to

1810
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:54,800
what you don't know is really important

1811
01:16:58,120 --> 01:16:56,570
as well that even if it might confront

1812
01:16:59,830 --> 01:16:58,130
you doesn't mean

1813
01:17:02,439 --> 01:16:59,840
because it's confronting you that it's

1814
01:17:03,879 --> 01:17:02,449
not actually has the tangibility it's

1815
01:17:06,580 --> 01:17:03,889
just that you haven't come across it

1816
01:17:08,830 --> 01:17:06,590
before so that's really really important

1817
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:08,840
that they honor I mean as earn honors

1818
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:10,610
all realities because that's all I can

1819
01:17:14,979 --> 01:17:12,800
do because ultimately we don't know what

1820
01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:14,989
reality consists of so it's a bit

1821
01:17:18,340 --> 01:17:16,880
arrogant to say well only that bit of

1822
01:17:21,910 --> 01:17:18,350
reality i'm going to take and that bit

1823
01:17:24,610 --> 01:17:21,920
i'm not you know so so that's the thing

1824
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:24,620
i have looked at a training and i will i

1825
01:17:29,649 --> 01:17:26,330
think i've got a feeling down the track

1826
01:17:32,919 --> 01:17:29,659
that may be very much part of my mandate

1827
01:17:34,780 --> 01:17:32,929
is to work with people because I'm very

1828
01:17:38,350 --> 01:17:34,790
good at working with people intuitively

1829
01:17:41,979 --> 01:17:38,360
I've learned a lot of skills in terms of

1830
01:17:44,470 --> 01:17:41,989
what will they call the intuitive side

1831
01:17:47,919 --> 01:17:44,480
of things how to tune in how to be open

1832
01:17:51,189 --> 01:17:47,929
to information coming in from not the

1833
01:17:53,649 --> 01:17:51,199
non quantifiable but often very accurate

1834
01:17:56,470 --> 01:17:53,659
part of art in a knowing so I work with

1835
01:17:58,149 --> 01:17:56,480
that I can teach people how to do it and

1836
01:17:59,860 --> 01:17:58,159
that and have confidence in it as well

1837
01:18:03,070 --> 01:17:59,870
so that's another thing people don't

1838
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:03,080
always know but i do do okay well well

1839
01:18:08,950 --> 01:18:06,530
terrific and thanks again so much and

1840
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:08,960
i'll be in touch we'll just stay in

1841
01:18:12,430 --> 01:18:10,010
touch i'd love to stay in touch

1842
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:12,440
absolutely and i'll send you the article

1843
01:18:17,260 --> 01:18:14,810
that has just been published in nexus

1844
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:17,270
because it was all my presentation for

1845
01:18:23,050 --> 01:18:19,730
nexus and it's all about the AVD ADHD

1846
01:18:25,780 --> 01:18:23,060
and also about the new kids so it really

1847
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:25,790
is hot off the press great great I'll

1848
01:18:32,370 --> 01:18:28,610
add that in okay okay thanks again Mary

1849
01:18:34,660 --> 01:18:32,380
take care I Alex take care bye for now

1850
01:18:37,180 --> 01:18:34,670
thanks again to marry Radwell for

1851
01:18:39,310 --> 01:18:37,190
joining me today on skeptic oh there are

1852
01:18:41,649 --> 01:18:39,320
a number of questions I might want to

1853
01:18:44,500 --> 01:18:41,659
tee up from this interview but i'll pick

1854
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:44,510
just one and a rather tame one at that

1855
01:18:49,990 --> 01:18:47,210
what are the best criteria that we

1856
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:50,000
should use and evaluating what kind of

1857
01:18:54,939 --> 01:18:52,489
human experiences are worth

1858
01:18:56,530 --> 01:18:54,949
investigating worth exploring if you

1859
01:18:59,169 --> 01:18:56,540
remember all the way back to the intro

1860
01:19:01,120 --> 01:18:59,179
to this episode what of Mary's points is

1861
01:19:03,189 --> 01:19:01,130
there's all these people are reporting a

1862
01:19:05,620 --> 01:19:03,199
similar experience it's the same across

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01:19:08,050 --> 01:19:05,630
culture it's the same across profession

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education level hmm isn't that curious

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shouldn't we investigate that more or as

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David Jacob says

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hey forget about the alien component

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just look at it from the standpoint of

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all these people reporting the same

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thing isn't that a psychological

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phenomena that we want to investigate so

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I guess this is kind of a lob question

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but let's dig into it anyway what are

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the criteria by which we should judge

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what human experiences deserve our

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attention deserve to be elevated to this

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level of G we got to get to the bottom

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of that we can't just sweep it under the

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rug okay so if you have some thoughts on

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that you'd like to connect with me or

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others about that topic the place to do

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it is through the skeptical website at

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ske pti k oh don't forget the KO on the

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end calm and from there you can jump on

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over to our forum click on the facebook

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link I'm working on Facebook I've never

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really spent much time with it although

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I've had a Facebook page but I'm trying

1889
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to pull that together as well so please

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do come over on facebook and like me and

1891
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make a post or connect with me on that

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way if you do facebook i'd love to see

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you over there or you can do it the

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old-fashioned way and just drop me an

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email don't get to all the emails but i

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try to as best I can sooner or later if

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01:20:27,459 --> 01:20:24,890
you want to you will connect with me I

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try and be pretty available of course

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while you're at the website you can also

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download any of our over 200 previous

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episodes of skeptic Oh subscribe on

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01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:37,280
iTunes or join the RSS feed well that's

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01:20:41,890 --> 01:20:39,410
going to do it for today on skeptic oh I

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have a number of interesting interviews

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they just keep piling up some really

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fascinating once I have one just

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01:20:50,500 --> 01:20:47,540
yesterday they just just blew my mind

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and some kind of more down-to-earth just

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kind of strange ways it's an interview

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with a very prominent academic is also

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very married to the materialistic kind

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of view of things it's really an

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interesting interview I can't wait to

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share that with you but it's going to

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take a few weeks because I have a number

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of other interesting shows in the hopper

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and I'm going to get all those out just

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as soon as I can it is the holidays

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right now here for me so I don't know if

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I can get them out quite as quick as I'd

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like to but I'll do my best so do stay